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Who Should Make The 1927A1


Can a better 1927A1 be made for same price?  

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  1. 1. Can a better 1927A1 be made for same price?

    • Kahr makes the best gun for the price. If the quality were increased they would not make any profit (without raising the cost).
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    • For the same price someone else could make a higher quality firearm and still make a profit.
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Sturm and Ruger would be an exelent choice; however, My vote would be for Savage Arms Company. Not only did they make 28's and M1 & M1A1's they were the ones that improved the quality and did the inovations AOC Bridgeport did not. Savage lost the original compatition for the 21's to Colt. I own a couple of savage rifles, most are not astheticly the best but all have been sutably accurate and most much more so. Their remaking the Stevens Favorite with investment castings, and while it may not look up to the standard of those originals it shoots clover leafs. It may not be completely authentic but I would like them to remake the reasight in the fasion of the M1 carbine and hide it in the 28 ears and do a similar vien with the M1 version. My only critisisum of the AThompson would be its sight, none of them seem to suit me. We don't need an M1 Grand sight on an open bolt nor a semi carbine firing pistol amunition but a M1 carbine type would be a welcome addition.

 

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Ruger was the 1st company that came to my mind, however a 27 from there would start striped for 2-3 thousand. But one thing for certain, it would shoot right from the box and keep shooting.

 

Today Ruger is my first choice and Colt second when it comes to revolvers.

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When comparing the manufacturing costs of the typical high quality rifle with the cost of the Kahr, the Kahr requires additional consideration because it has design restrictions based on the Thompson design. By the time you add reliablity, detachable stock, better spring design, you are probably looking at around a 2K to 3K cost. I wonder if there are enough customers out there, who could consider that price range. Certainly, I would pay extra for such a beast, but like you, I look at it through the eyes of a Thompson nut.
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I believe with all the mods out there that are already in place I think Kahr could incorpate this pretty ez. After all they are now producing a SBR now of the 27. Maybe even offer these to a collecter or TSMG guy as extra. Of course I'd be happy if they could produce one that worked out of the box. Hell my gun traveled more than I ever did and I am in Transportation!!!!!!-adlake
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Kahr sucks--Did you know that Kahr is owned by the leader of the religious cult from the '80s, the Moonies? The Rev. Syung Yung Moon owns Kahr and his son is the CEO and chief engineer. When asked why he named it "Kahr", he stated that he wanted the company to sound German. They bought out Auto Ordnance and their QC is in the toilet.

 

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Ruger would be my last choice. Ruger guns work because they are designed around the investment casting process itself. I can’t imagine an investment cast Thompson, the manufacturing processes are just not compatible.

 

Kahr would do fine if they got the QC dept. up and going AND really understood what they were making.

 

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I think Ruger would be a bad choice due to their rabid embrace of the 10 round max mags with Heir Kommeradden Klintoon http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif . Of course, you could dump the mag for gvt. mags. I wonder if a company like Pietta or Ubrerti could make them. They make very nice replicas with high quality. I guess they would have to deal with the BATF on bringing them in the US.

 

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I agree with Bisley45, I like Savage. They seem to be taking things to heart as well- the biggest complaint on their bolt rifles had been the trigger, not the accuracy. Would seem they're now putting decent ones on the rifles at the factory.

 

 

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Definatly Savage.

As for price, I'm sure it would take a bit of a leap... but this all may be moot if they don't let the assault weapons law sunset, which is looking less likely day by day.

Zamm

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Well, I guess I might as well weigh in too! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif I still would like to see Colt buy the patents, rights, etc., whatever it takes to put their name back on (or be associated with) all Thompson products of the future, tying them to the greatness of the past. However, why leave it at that! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif Gentlemen, should not Colt, once said rights have been secured, seek out firm(s) which can produce quality firearms and parts for the same. I would humbly suggest keeping manufacture all American. Kimber is one American firearms manufacturer which has been indisputably consistent in producing quality firearms (both long guns and handguns) to high tolerances and standards, by machining their parts out of solid blocks of metal. I would humbly suggest (again) that Colt subcontract the future manufacture of all Thompsons (both SA and FA), necessary parts and accessories to Kimber. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Regards, Walter
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PhilOhio, that is fascinating. Thanks for an insider's (so to speak) view of the Korean business ethic, in general, and the Moon organization, in particular, as regards Kahr. I'd love to buy Kahr out. I might be short by a few million dollars, however! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif Regards, Walter
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Not that I'm a fan of the Moon cult, I have talked to a lot of people who have Khar's and shot them a lot. I've heard no feedback about poor Quality control at Khar with their pistols. Khar bought Auto Ord in a bad shape, I don't think they have looked too closely at cleaning up the design deficiencys in the SA. nor the problems in the production line. I wish they would as I'd like to pick up a second 27 and a C drum or three after the full-cap ban sunsets ( Lord Willing )

 

BMP

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PhilOhio, that's an interesting idea. Perhaps the members of this board could form a corporation and attempt a 'hostile takeover' of Kahr!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif As a group we certainly do not lack for experience, money, sincerity, credibility, etc. We merely need the determination and audacity to see what is possible. We could be dangerous once we get moving!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Hell, we own 'assault weapons', automatic weapons, even (those dreaded gangster guns) Tommy Guns!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Arthur, Ken Lay was one among many, if not most, of the upper management of that company who illegally had their filthy paws in the company's coffers. If they had not stolen (by creative accounting) from the company and lied to the stockholders, employees, and the public, they would be in great shape today. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif Regards, Walter
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Hello all,

 

I tought I would let others post their opinion on this subject before I did.

 

It seems that Kahr has 90% of what it takes to sell a good 27A1. Unfortunantly, it is that last 10% that gives them a bad reputation.

 

I have never owned a Kahr made 27A1. I have owned several WH 27A1's. All of my Westy's worked without any modifications. Maybe I was lucky.

 

It seems that the most complained about items on the Kahr 27A1's are some of the most inexpensive parts. Parts that break within 100 rounds of use (such as extractors, ejectors, bolts, and mis-made magazines.)

 

I would have to agree with PK. If Kahr would exercise just a LITTLE quality control on these guns, most would do well out of the box. None of the common problems seem to be with the expensive parts of the gun (barrel, receivers, trigger frame, etc.)

 

I just hope that someone at Kahr Arms will read this post and say, "Hey, we just need to pay more attention to our work and we would quit getting so many returned guns."

 

Just my $.02 worth.

 

Norm

 

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As long as Kahr believes they have a monopoly on manufacturing "Thompsons", they will continue to behave accordingly. Any enterprising individual with the knowledge, tooling, and commitment to the spirit of John T's original concept, could produce a much better replica. They could still use the Auto-Ord and Thompson bullet logo, and all the other usual receiver markings, without fear of trademark infringement.
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