deerslayer Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Sad fate of Colt 1210 is as a cut piece on gunbroker. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/935651947 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndArmored Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 But don't you feel safer because of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Odd, the actuator slot is rounded, and the number on the receiver nose appears to be military. Two different firearms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Does appear to be two different guns. The 1210 rear is saw cut and the front appears as it was saw cut originally. Lines look awful straight. The barreled nose is 12154, but the fins look rounded and the front of the barrel is not threaded, or looks that way in the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawk64 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Is the barrel bulged or is it just my glasses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryboy77 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) Even if the barrel is original Colt its been welded under the front receiver stub as well as inside. It appears somone attempted to clear the chamber by drilling it out so its no good beyond a display piece (see photos 20,21,&22). We can record what happened to colt model 1210. At this point the markings are cut into its good for nothing but a paper weight.Looks like somone had a colt center section they were going to weld back together and abandoned the project after trying to drill the plug out and probly screwing the chamber. The flat ejector may be the only salvagable part but doubting its a Colt,more likely an early Savage,along with receiver cqtch.A shame to see those 2 guns meet that fate .There should be exceptions to C&R guns War time Thompsons were made in the USA before the 86' cut off and should be able to be put into the registry because they are not'NEW' machineguns. Edited June 10, 2022 by Countryboy77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) The rear receiver piece appears to have a fixed L sight "shadow" on it. It is not as wide as the adjustable Lyman rear sight base "shadow" shown in photograph #13. It also appears there are vise marks on the rear section. Edited June 10, 2022 by Bridgeport28A1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Even if the barrel is original Colt its been welded under the front receiver stub as well as inside. It appears somone attempted to clear the chamber by drilling it out so its no good beyond a display piece (see photos 20,21,&22). We can record what happened to colt model 1210. At this point the markings are cut into its good for nothing but a paper weight.Looks like somone had a colt center section they were going to weld back together and abandoned the project after trying to drill the plug out and probly screwing the chamber. The flat ejector may be the only salvagable part but doubting its a Colt,more likely an early Savage,along with receiver cqtch.A shame to see those 2 guns meet that fate .There should be exceptions to C&R guns War time Thompsons were made in the USA before the 86' cut off and should be able to be put into the registry because they are not'NEW' machineguns.The frame latch and its spring might also be salvageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Above the "secret serial number" 12154 is a "K". Curious enough to remove foregrip mount to check for letters on your Colt TSMG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjong-ni Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) So only the centre section is "Colt #1210", correct? Is "12154" a valid (missing) Colt part #? Are the front and rear sections common WW2 parts?... Phil Edited June 10, 2022 by anjong-ni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMG28 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) I suspect that both the front and middle parts are Colt's, though obviously not matching. According to Gordon, both Colt serial numbers 1210 and 12154 went to Mexico and were later destroyed. The parts sets were then imported back into the U.S. My guess is that when the sets were brought back into the U.S., there was no effort to match up the parts. I do not know enough about hidden Colt's serial numbers to know the significance of the K. I agree with Mohawk64. The barrel does look bulged. The rear sight outline on the back piece certainly seems to indicate a WWII fixed sight was originally on that part. Edited June 10, 2022 by TSMG28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Arthur,Great catch on the letter "K" inspector marking on the receiver of NO 12154 in the grip mount area. You have shown forum members these inspector markings on Colt's many times over the years. Reconbob had the frame of NO 10089 listed for sale on gunbroker.com recently. Note the letter "K" inspector mark on the frame in the grip area. I noted the auction for these Thompson remnants (NO 1210 & NO 12154) has reached $1975 as of this morning. Can anyone explain to me why anyone would think these parts are worth anywhere near this (rising) price. I agree several of the demilled parts would make great display items at the Thompson Shows & Shoots, but other than that.... And at the current price? What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 I think I marked all the differences on the parts. I'm sure there are some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Arthur,Great catch on the letter "K" inspector marking on the receiver of NO 12154 in the grip mount area. You have shown forum members these inspector markings on Colt's many times over the years. Reconbob had the frame of NO 10089 listed for sale on gunbroker.com recently. Note the letter "K" inspector mark on the frame in the grip area. Tom,The K on Bob's #10089 frame does look identical. "Z" and "K" on frame ridge have been reported on higher serial numbers. Now it seems it is likely they will be found under the grip support as well.These inspector/assembler initials are as yet unidentified Colt employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryboy77 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 I noted the auction for these Thompson remnants (NO 1210 & NO 12154) has reached $1975 as of this morning. Can anyone explain to me why anyone would think these parts are worth anywhere near this (rising) price. I agree several of the demilled parts would make great display items at the Thompson Shows & Shoots, but other than that.... And at the current price? What am I missing?[/font][/size][/color]Your not missing anything.Lots of sellers getting ridiculous prices and lots of sellers not collecting the money. Maybe the guys trying to launder money putting things up tgen payibg ridiculous prices. Happens on ebay all the time. 100,000 chicken mcnuggets ect.Either the guys bidding have money and not knowledgeable to know the barrel looks bulged and welded and drilled out thinking they can salvage some original colt parts.Or somone wants to weld it back together to build an authentic Colt maybe even as a semi auto I seen some beautiful work on Weapons Guild.Me If I wanted to build a Colt I would start with one of Bobs receivers.I would see it being a cool conversation piece as is maybe spme big wig wants an expensive desk or bookshelf decoration.Maybe a cool lamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjong-ni Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 Well I guess people must have the money. I like "used" stuff too. Somebody paid a lot of money for "the sequined dress" Marily Monroe wore to President Kennedy's birthday celebration in 1963. Then Kim Kardashian wore it to an awards ceremony. Kinda like firing re-loads through a SVDM Colt Thompson gun... Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk VII Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Reminds me of those 'cut-and-shut' M1 rifle receivers, which were sold at one time from scrapped parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anticus Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 Someone bought this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hammer Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 Someone bought this.And...they paid waaay too much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbc230 Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 Someone has money to burn. I can understand there is some value there, but that amount is ridiculous to me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) All Thompson related metal pieces seem to be worth their weight in precious metals these days. $426.99... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/935874234 In case you thought that was an anomaly, an earlier receiver front end sold for $428.99 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/934730868 Edited June 20, 2022 by Bridgeport28A1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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