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Lots of deals... the 1927 went for a song IMHO. Anyone here get it?


You would have been at the auction or on the phone - all below were listed as "Onsite" sales. So, with no Credit Card and onsite, I used 13% bidders premium.


Below are some of what I was watching FWIW:



Lot # RIA Description Hammer W/13% BP

1331 Gatling Battery Gun Co. Model 1862 Gatling Gun $13,000.00 $14,690.00

1332 Furr - 1874 Gatling gun $17,000.00 $19,210.00

1362 Springfield Armory John Garand Presentation M1-Garand $250,000.00 $282,500.00

1363 Springfield Armory U.S. - 1924 Garand Autoloading Rifle $150,000.00 $169,500.00

1366 Outstanding and Impressive World War II U.S. M3A1 Scout Car $65,000.00 $73,450.00

1367 Charles Erb - M1917A1 Pattern MG $17,000.00 $19,210.00

1368 Savage Arms 1914 Lewis Gun, Registered Transferrable, Ex. Mags $17,000.00 $19,210.00

1369 Colt - 1921 Thompson $55,000.00 $62,150.00

1370 U.S. M41A1 Walker Bulldog Light Tank $210,000.00 $237,300.00

1371 U.S. Colt Navy 1911, 3-Digit Number, 1912 Made $7,500.00 $8,475.00

1377 U.S. Singer M1911A1 Pistol as Part of Col. Birtwistle Archive $220,000.00 $248,600.00

1378 Harrington & Richardson Inc - Reising model 50 $9,000.00 $10,170.00

1379 United Defense M42 SMG, Full Transferrable Machine Gun, w/Mags $20,000.00 $22,600.00

1380 New England Firearms Co - BAR 1918A2 $35,000.00 $39,550.00

1381 U.S. Army M9A1 "Bazooka", Destructive Device $6,500.00 $7,345.00

1383 Soviet PPSh-41 SMG, w/Ex Drums, Fully Transferrable NFA $10,000.00 $11,300.00

1384 British MkII STEN Gun, NFA/Class III Full Transferrable, w/Mags $7,000.00 $7,910.00

1386 German - MP 40 $37,500.00 $42,375.00

1387 Outstanding World War II U.S. M5A1 Stuart Light Tank $250,000.00 $282,500.00

1391 Impressive and Desirable Original World War II U.S. GMC DUKW 6X6 $40,000.00 $45,200.00

1392 U.S. Willys M38A1 Jeep $19,000.00 $21,470.00

1395 Colt Prototype 1969 GO Model Commander Pistol, w/Docs, Box $6,000.00 $6,780.00

1401 Springfield Armory Gas Trap M1-Garand $50,000.00 $56,500.00

1404 Inland - M1A1 $6,000.00 $6,780.00

1406 Johnson Automatics MFG Co - 1941 $5,500.00 $6,215.00

1407 Inland - M1A1 $5,000.00 $5,650.00

1408 Rare Smith & Wesson Mark II Semi-Automatic 9mm Light Rifle $8,500.00 $9,605.00

1409 Colt - Thompson 1923 semi-automati rifle $55,000.00 $62,150.00

1410 Colt - 1927 $30,000.00 $33,900.00

1411 British/OOW MG 40 Mk II Browning Machine Gun, Class III/NFA $14,000.00 $15,820.00

1412 U.S. Winchester M2 Carbine, Class III/NFA Machine Gun $18,000.00 $20,340.00

1413 Inglis - MKI Machine Gun NFA $37,500.00 $42,375.00

1414 Colt - 1921/1928 Thompson $30,000.00 $33,900.00

1415 Cranston Arms - 1941 $50,000.00 $56,500.00

1416 Very Rare Early Colt Experimental/Prototype Fully Automatic $30,000.00 $33,900.00

1417 Auto Ordnance Corp - Thompson 1928 A1 $22,500.00 $25,425.00

1418 Six Excellent Auto-Ordnance Type L Drum Magazines $5,500.00 $6,215.00

1419 Lanchester - MKI $16,000.00 $18,080.00

1431 U.S. Springfield 1903 Bolt Action Rifle Configured 1942 Sniper $5,000.00 $5,650.00

1490 DWM - MG 08 $15,000.00 $16,950.00

1499 German - STG 44 $27,500.00 $31,075.00

1502 Tikka Suomi KP31 Fully Transferrable C&R SMG $17,000.00 $19,210.00

1512 German - MP 40 $17,000.00 $19,210.00

1513 Erma Werke Waffenfabrik - EMP $11,000.00 $12,430.00

1541 Mannlicher - Pistol Carbine $4,250.00 $4,802.50

1552 Very Early Unmarked DWM Model 1900 Luger $3,000.00 $3,390.00

1567 Borchardt - 1893 $42,500.00 $48,025.00

1570 Scarce German Navy Marked Erma 22LR Luger Conversion Kit $2,000.00 $2,260.00

1876 E. de la Garrigue Miniature Thompson 1928AC, w/FBI Case $6,500.00 $7,345.00

1877 Early Production Ohio Ordnance Works Model A1918 Rifle $5,500.00 $6,215.00

1886 Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 Semi-Automatic Carbine $3,500.00 $3,955.00

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Mike, Thanks for posting that info

 

Cant believe the presentation Garand will cost 282,000!!!

 

The drums went high considering no one knew what rotors were in there and the 6 drums fetched 6215,

2 were Worcester and the rest were United, I think

 

But for a Semi Auto Thompson thats either Kahr or WH to fetch 4k!!!

 

They are on GB for a grand!! And its got a FBI case that it cant fit into

 

Auction description said "rare"

 

If I am under the incorrect assumption that this is a $1,000 firearm, Board Members: Please correct me

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Mike. I was at the Ohio Gun Collectors Association (OGCA) Meeting (Show) yesterday and missed the fun.

 

Lot #1410 Colt - Model of 1927 - $30,000.00 / $33,900.00, NO 4706 had a lot of issues, i.e., compensator, barrel, likely re-blue, wood, who knows what else!

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Would like to hear anyones thoughts on the drum magazines. Out of the 6, 4 looked like WWII United Specialities. As mentioned above, the lot went for $5500.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/74/1418/six-excellent-autoordnance-type-l-drum-magazines

I think they went high

4 were United in my thinking as well and

One was a Worcester 4th

and another Worcester

I bid 2250 and got spanked!

Arent Worcester worth like $1400

and the United like 300-400??

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Mike, Thanks for posting that info

 

Cant believe the presentation Garand will cost 282,000!!!

 

The drums went high considering no one knew what rotors were in there and the 6 drums fetched 6215,

2 were Worcester and the rest were United, I think

 

But for a Semi Auto Thompson thats either Kahr or WH to fetch 4k!!!

 

They are on GB for a grand!! And its got a FBI case that it cant fit into

 

Auction description said "rare"

 

If I am under the incorrect assumption that this is a $1,000 firearm, Board Members: Please correct me

 

 

 

 

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The One Millionth Garand is a piece of American history and has won several awards. I wonder where its going. I had the privilege of displaying this gun and related items in Phoenix with The American Thompson Association. Truly a memorable event and a joy to discuss with the crowds.

 

Was the semi a 10mm?

 

Ron

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Lot #1410 Colt - Model of 1927 - $30,000.00 / $33,900.00, NO 4706 had a lot of issues, i.e., compensator, barrel, likely re-blue, wood, who knows what else!

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Reblued receiver? Are there better examples of a MODEL 1927? Sure. But Colt TSMG 21/28 Models in similar condition with WWII Cutts, faded bluing, "who knows what else," have sold on internet auctions (no buyer's premium) at the $30K mark. The expectation that a MODEL 1927 fetches more interest and coin than other Colt TSMG models was more due to advertising by dealers in the 1970's rather than desirability among collectors.

 

But look at the Roger Cox book cover Colt TSMG #1852. Unless the cover photo was retouched, #1852 sure has aged since 1982. How much of the $60K + value was due to the publicity of #1852 being a cover girl rather than the condition being the guiding factor?

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Would like to hear anyones thoughts on the drum magazines. Out of the 6, 4 looked like WWII United Specialities. As mentioned above, the lot went for $5500.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/74/1418/six-excellent-autoordnance-type-l-drum-magazines

I think they went high

4 were United in my thinking as well and

One was a Worcester 4th

and another Worcester

I bid 2250 and got spanked!

Arent Worcester worth like $1400

and the United like 300-400??

 

I don't think that the price was too far out of line either way considering the internals weren't pictured. IIRC, most asking prices for United drums on GunBroker is more like in the $600 - $800 range these days. Even what I believe was an ordinary, used 88-94 vintage West Hurley drum recently sold for $250 (GB item 778696080).

 

MHO, YMMV, etc. MP

 

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I am sure the cover gun was #5290 i owned #5294 And was trying to buy the cover gun from the owner from Kentucky. Did i miss something or did old time brain drain hit me early on. Colt21A Ron

Oops! You are correct, Ron. #1852 is the inside front and back cover of Cox's book, not the cover girl, but the inside cover girl.

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Nice miniature. I was outbid on this in a previous auction.

1876 E. de la Garrigue Miniature Thompson 1928AC, w/FBI Case $6,500.00 $7,345.00

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/74/1876/e-de-la-garrigue-miniature-thompson-1928ac-wfbi-case

Previous action, Sold for $6900.00 at Julia action

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/extremely-attractive-nickel-plated-miniature-1928-c664f94b54

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There must be a premium of a 1927 vs. a 1921 Colt. After all, there are fewer than 100 or so made, probably less than 30-40 unmodified (still with Colt semi internals).

 

Take your estimate for a Colt in the condition you describe, and I would add 20% (maybe more) on to that.

 

I have seen them sell for $45K immediately a year ago. Bmarvin is right on...

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Genrally, what I have seen over many years with the ‘27s that have come to market is that few buyers are interested in them at high valuations because they are NFA controlled as semiautos. Makes buyers grouchy, so the market has been usually very small over the years and prices comparaitively low. Another aspect of rarity in the MG market is that it doesn’r necessarily translate to high value just because it is rare. There are quite a few reasons why an MG might be rare, not just numbers produced. Very important is what type it is. For example, German MGs, especially WWII examples, command the highest values and have for a very long time. Then US military issue MGs. Scarcity within these categories can be associated with a particular MG for many different reasons. The more, the better.

MGs that are not in the most populat colllector categories which are rare don’t fare as well due to lack of popularity or name and type recognition. This has changed due to the widening of the interests in an expanding base of collectors and shooters. An example of a very rare SMG that might bring more now than twenty years ago is a select-fire French Hotchkiss 9mm Universal that is a Vietnam bringback sith provanance. It is the only example of the type in the registry. As a niche SMG it does have a premium value due to being a bringback but being a “French” MG and one that is generally unknown, it suffers value loss despite being the only registered example.

The rarified world of Colt Thompson collecting might be kinder to a ‘27 in these heated times than before as the “look what I have” component to Colt Thompson collecting is more widespread now, and one doesn’t have to be a nerd to appreciate or own a ‘27. Yes, you guys who bought ‘27s back in the day were MG nerds. No stigma to that as I am one also and proud of it.

Anyway, just my observations for your entertainment.

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I am sure the cover gun was #5290 i owned #5294 And was trying to buy the cover gun from the owner from Kentucky. Did i miss something or did old time brain drain hit me early on. Colt21A Ron

Oops! You are correct, Ron. #1852 is the inside front and back cover of Cox's book, not the cover girl, but the inside cover girl.

A friend of mine bought 1852 from Rodger Cox, paid $3500.00 for it, he sold it to the late SAR writer Rick Cartlidge for $5500.00, back in the day. As I recall the barrel had some pitting.

 

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