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#41 pstidan

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 07:21 AM

Back in the day, PK configured and fit one of Merle's kits to my WH '28.  Instead of using the plastic Blackdog magazines, Paul set the kit up to use steel Squire Bingham 30 round banana magazines.  This is one of the most reliable .22lr conversions I have.  It runs very clean and I can run 1000 - 1200 rounds before I need to clean anything.  Plus it has a very slow ROF, unlike most other .22lr conversion kits I have ever used.  My WH with the kit installed is a real crowd pleaser.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:09 PM

Back in the day, PK configured and fit one of Merle's kits to my WH '28.  Instead of using the plastic Blackdog magazines, Paul set the kit up to use steel Squire Bingham 30 round banana magazines.  This is one of the most reliable .22lr conversions I have.  It runs very clean and I can run 1000 - 1200 rounds before I need to clean anything.  Plus it has a very slow ROF, unlike most other .22lr conversion kits I have ever used.  My WH with the kit installed is a real crowd pleaser.

 
Interesting.  Could you post some photos of this arrangement?
Thanks

Merle's kits have always had a lower rate of fire than another apparently now out of business Florida conversation maker.
This is due to the steel plate Merle mounts to the bottom of the bolt, slowing things down to a more Thompson normal rate.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 03:34 PM

Thanks for the reply.
I am very curious as to the cost of each component (kit, drum, mags) and if there have been any drum/mag loaders produced. 

I got mine back in early 2010, so I many not be remembering correctly, and prices may have changed. I think the kit was a little under $500, stick mags about $30 each, and drum about $150.
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Posted 05 March 2017 - 03:44 PM

Maybe a dumb question - do the drums fit the M1? Do they slide in from the side or do they fit vertical?
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Posted 05 March 2017 - 03:48 PM


Maybe a dumb question - do the drums fit the M1? Do they slide in from the side or do they fit vertical?


They fit the M1. Attach like the stick mag.
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Posted 05 March 2017 - 04:20 PM

I've tried to post photos here many times.  The only thing I've been able to do is lock up my machine.  I guess I'm just too damn old and stupid.


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Posted 18 August 2018 - 10:31 PM

Hello all. I know this is an old thread. Is Merle still making these 22 kits? I would like to get one for my M1. Thanks.
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Posted 18 August 2018 - 10:57 PM

Not sure, called him, he took my contact info and an order, said he will let me know when it is ready, been over a year...??
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Posted 19 August 2018 - 05:49 AM

Let's see if I can post some pics of my conversion magazine setup done by PK.
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Posted 19 August 2018 - 05:18 PM

Is Ciener still in business?


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#51 MrBill

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 10:00 PM

You have to define business. Ceiner lately has had a table at Knob Creek dressed in his Halloween type uniform but he is impossible to get on the phone or email. Some his stuff requires prepayment and based on his reputation....GOOD LUCK .....Ironically at Knob Creek he has alot of kits and mags that are listed as out of stock on his web site? i brought a 22 kit he made for my AC556 that is junk and after he inspected the parts (one minute) he concluded that i was using the wrong ammo? When i asked what he prefers he said "try a bunch and tell me"   


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:04 AM

Bought a new Ciener 22LR kit for my AC556. Just now had a chance to install and take it out for a test spin. Ran like a top once I oiled the crap it of it. Will see if I can get a lower powered or replacement spring from him to get subsonic ammo to cycle. The current setup will eject the case but not retract far enough to pick up a fresh round.
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Posted 20 August 2018 - 08:07 AM

You have to define business. Ceiner lately has had a table at Knob Creek dressed in his Halloween type uniform but he is impossible to get on the phone or email. Some his stuff requires prepayment and based on his reputation....GOOD LUCK .....Ironically at Knob Creek he has alot of kits and mags that are listed as out of stock on his web site? i brought a 22 kit he made for my AC556 that is junk and after he inspected the parts (one minute) he concluded that i was using the wrong ammo? When i asked what he prefers he said "try a bunch and tell me"   

He certainly is a "piece of work". Just wondered if he was still around. Anyone decked him at the Creek lately?


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Posted 15 January 2019 - 01:21 AM

Hi All,

 

Old thread but a good thread.  A few things I've learned running the 22RF Thompson over the last 8 years or so.  I put 5K-10K rounds a year through 2 different kits.  That would put at least 40k rounds through each kit.

 

1.)  I had some runaway problems a year or two back.  The problem that started in my M1 kit spread to my '28 kit.  In the end the steel plate on the bottom of the bolt with the sear surface had rounded from sear contact.  I set it up in the Bridgeport and took only about .015" off to clean-up the face and all runaway problems went away.  IIRC, this is 4140HT at about a Rc 30.  Just guessing on the material and HT.  My parts could stand to be a bit harder but what do I want to wear?  The 22 kit or the Thompson sear.

 

2.)  BDM Plastic mags do not have an infinite life.  I watch the height of the rounds in the feed lips as well as the resting angle of the cartridge.  If the cartridge is pointing up much or noticeably higher in the lips, reliability suffers.  At about $14/magazine, no complaints.  I've only worn out 4 of the BDM mags so far.  About 1/2 the shooting is with BDM magazines.

 

3.) Mags and bullet lube.  The 22RF being externally lubed can be a problem with the wax build-up in the magazine.  Some 22RF like the Federal Bulk doesn't seem to foul the mags very quickly.  CCI Blazer and Aguila Super Extras seem to leave more lube.  Best cleaning is done by taking the mags apart.  While I know I shouldn't, I'm testing 2 magazines cleaning them with a tight fitting button, cotton patch, and WD-40.  It is obvious when cleaning the mags while they are apart that mild detergent works.  WD-40 wipes them clean instantly.  Polycaronate (sp) and WD-40 may not mix.  Time will tell.

 

4.) Clean the barrel nut from time to time.  Merle indicated in conversations that he keeps a drill or reamer handy to scrape the crud out of the nut.  I don't know what it would do if you didn't but it doesn't look good.

 

Just some thoughts,

 

Enjoy,

 

Grasshopper


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