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#1 Canuck

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 10:24 AM

I just obtained this M1A1 from a collector in Alberta. It has an AOC receiver and a Savage lower. The trigger frame is an early one with the integral boss for attaching the buttstock. Overall it is in very good condition and it will go nicely with my Savage M1. There is no detailed history on the gun. The former owner obtained it from an estate about twenty five years ago and now it is here. I will attach some more detailed photo's later. I find it interesting that my M1 has the protected rear sight but the M1A1 does not.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 10:37 AM

Canuck,

Congratulations, really nice pair.

The butt stock on the M1A1 is especially nice looking wood.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:44 PM

Congrats! Looks like twice the fun!

Canuck,
Congratulations, really nice pair.
The butt stock on the M1A1 is especially nice looking wood.
Jim C


+1 on the wood!

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 01:53 PM

if this gun in canada is it welded up non op.?


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 04:17 PM

if this gun in canada is it welded up non op.?

 

They are fully functional BillyDixon. However they are a dying breed as less than two hundred of us are licensed to own full auto/selective firearms in Canada. The government will not issue any new licenses so when we're gone the working guns go too. 99% impossible to shoot them anymore but I do attend shows and display them.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 04:52 PM

Congrats! Nice pair there.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 06:12 PM

Cool gun, do you know if it was used in combat and where?
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 08:36 PM

if this gun in canada is it welded up non op.?

 
They are fully functional BillyDixon. However they are a dying breed as less than two hundred of us are licensed to own full auto/selective firearms in Canada. The government will not issue any new licenses so when we're gone the working guns go too. 99% impossible to shoot them anymore but I do attend shows and display them.

You are just about the luckiest man that I know of in all the Provinces! I didn't realize the number was that low. Good for you sir. Now you just need a place to shoot. Perhaps way up in the NW Territories?
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Posted 10 November 2018 - 12:39 AM

Congrats Peter !!


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 07:22 AM

Cool gun, do you know if it was used in combat and where?

One of my frustrations in collecting Thompson's up here is the difficulty in tracing their previous ownership. One of the issues is the guns typically sit in collections for years and rarely change hands. Sometimes there are a few clues but usually not so much. I have one Savage 1928 that is British proof marked that was possibly used at an internment camp.Possibly .... and if it was then it likely spent the war stored on the gun rack. The previous owner had it for thirty seven years. An access to information request on previous owners before him led nowhere. Thompson guns  were also imported from various locations (I think mostly in the 50's & 60's) so their stories are a mystery.


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 10:25 AM

Do you recall the SN of that Savage?

 

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 07:13 PM

Do you recall the SN of that Savage?

 

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The one that may have been assigned to an interment camp was S-22802. It is only speculation from the previous owner I have no concrete evidence.


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 08:13 PM

Oh my. A nice, early first style Savage. Any history or pictures would be appreciated by many in this group.


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 11:37 AM

Oh my. A nice, early Savage from the first contract. Any history or pictures would be appreciated by many in this group.

Bug,

 

Here is 22802 on the top. All original wood and fore grip marked "S". Below it is 33791 with Dan Block wood. I took off the loose comp on 33791 and dressed it up with a 21 style front sight. Of course, I still have the original wood for it.

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 04:33 PM

Very nice. Is there a sling swivel mounted on the earlier gun's forward grip? The Dan Block wood threw me a little. I thought it was Colt. Thank you.

 

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 07:39 PM

Very nice. Is there a sling swivel mounted on the earlier gun's forward grip? The Dan Block wood threw me a little. I thought it was Colt. Thank you.

 

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Yes Bob, there is a sling swivel. The original wood on 33791 has one also. Btw, 22802 has patent dates and 33791 has patent numbers. I have better pictures somewhere but haven't found them tonight. I displayed them at a show a while ago and you can see the swivel in this photo.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:31 AM

Beautiful condition. The pat date/number thing was what I was referring to in my first post. Only about 10K guns had dates. I edited that to read  first style vs first contract. There was a lot going on when Savage production began.Tom Davis has a wonderful book on these early Savage guns. Hard to tell from the pics but the finish looks original. Yes?

 

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:37 AM

Beautiful condition. The pat date/number thing was what I was referring to in my first post. Only about 10K guns had dates. I edited that to read  first style vs first contract. There was a lot going on when Savage production began.Tom Davis has a wonderful book on these early Savage guns. Hard to tell from the pics but the finish looks original. Yes?

 

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Bob,

I believe the finish on these two is likely original. 22802 is noticeably better than 33791. Where ever it spent it's life it was never abused. 33791 shows it's age somewhat in comparison. I agree with your opinion of Tom's book and if you look closely you'll find he may have a picture, or two, of these guns.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 11:29 AM

The 22K gun reminds me of a Savage Commercial. They were acquired by PDs in 1940 and spent most of their lives in the arms room.

 

Bob D 

 

I see that you're quite familiar with Tom's book. I have one in there on page 115. Small world.


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Posted 16 November 2018 - 06:58 PM

if this gun in canada is it welded up non op.?

 

They are fully functional BillyDixon. However they are a dying breed as less than two hundred of us are licensed to own full auto/selective firearms in Canada. The government will not issue any new licenses so when we're gone the working guns go too. 99% impossible to shoot them anymore but I do attend shows and display them.

 

So sad, but it's SUPER cool to hear from one of the "old timers" that is licensed to own these.  I bet you've got a great collection since they are much cheaper up there.  So one day one of you guys will just own them all?

 

I despise gun laws.


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