Got Uzi Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 If ATF comes back and says no these are transferable go ahead with the sale and here is our blessing then Im going to be jumping up and down as my pre sample MP5 and T&E marked MP5SD are instantly transferable then they are worth a lot more due to the pressident being set. Someone better tread lightly or they are going to open Pandoras box on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 That is why I want to make sure we get the rest of the story on this - Makes my gun worth a LOT more than I paid for it too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted June 5, 2021 Report Share Posted June 5, 2021 They could really make a lot of pre sample owners happy with this one lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted June 5, 2021 Report Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) I'd bet on a few extremely pissed-off MP5 buyers and civil, or possibly criminal, proceedings against both the broker and Miami-Dade as the more likely outcome Edited June 5, 2021 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertord Posted June 5, 2021 Report Share Posted June 5, 2021 Carnac the Magnificent predicts no transferables, no BATFE MP5 pre sample precedent and no criminal charges against Miami-Dade Police Department? Caveat emptor as always when dealing in Class 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 Certainly possible when atf was contacted and asked if they were transferable, they said yes......to any licensed class 3 dealer and someone did not comprehend that would be the only place they will transfer? If people start getting Akins springs back, certainly there's hope these become transferable.....to everyone. Odds are slightly lower on a fire where the forms are kept and everyone re-registers on the honor system LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grease Gunner Posted June 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 I talked to a fellow FFL and he had talked to dealer. Apparently they had 8 or more of these MP5s and to fund the dept with updated equipment, they decided to sell them. They sold most of them already as transferrables from what I was told.He (fellow FFL who called) was told that that the police dept contacted the ATF to get approval to sell the firearms. They gave the serial # to the ATF as requested, and the ATF came back and told them they were considered transferrables. Supposedly this information they are transferrables came from a higher ups in the ATF, not just one inspector. Now whether this is all true, I have no idea. This is just hearsay from another FFL that called them wanting to find out the details. I heard this exact story and I am awaiting and wondering if we will ever hear the end of the story.The only way this could happen is if someone went in and changed things in the NFTR to let them transfer later down the road. Lets hope we hear the final chapter on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 If someone changed the status of guns like that then someone is in some deep shit OR like I said before...all pre samples just became transferable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lone Ranger Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Not all - pay close attention to the text about how/why they came into the country. If it was imported and went to a licensee = restricted (sales sample). If it went directly to a gov agency ... not restricted. I'm not confirming or denying anything but it is an interesting and reasonable thought process in accordance with the law. Edited June 15, 2021 by The Lone Ranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Not all - pay close attention to the text about how/why they came into the country. If it was imported and went to a licensee = restricted (sales sample). If it went directly to a gov agency ... not restricted. I'm not confirming or denying anything but it is an interesting and reasonable thought process in accordance with the law. Problem is that many of the MP-5s in use the US and papered as pre samples came in direct from HK to the LEA. They are not automatically "transferable". I have been doing this for 35+ years, bought and sold a LOT of LEA MGs and in particular MP-5s and None were "transferable." Never say never, just never seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Lone Ranger-by your logic then my MP5SD should be a Transferable as it was and is marked as a factory T&E gun meaning it came into the states and was used by HK sales and training reps, not sent to a dealer. I dont see how this is going to work but Im down for being surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Lone Ranger-by your logic then my MP5SD should be a Transferable as it was and is marked as a factory T&E gun meaning it came into the states and was used by HK sales and training reps, not sent to a dealer. I dont see how this is going to work but Im down for being surprisedI would think the original HK receipt of your MP5 = licensee. They are not a government agency. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Think it would be the same as a dealer tho it was actually a factory rep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lone Ranger Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) I must be illiterate as well as senile.... figures. Never meant to convey that an importer using as a sales sample would remove the sales sample restriction. It would need to have gone to a government agency. There are two realistic allowances involved in almost every NFA import: 1) Brought in for government 2) An odd reason very few can legitimately claim 3) Brought in for sales sample H&K won't meet the definition of government entity so #3 it is in your SD scenario. The claim being made about these MP-5s is that they meet #1. At least that's how I tracked it but as always I might be smoking bamboo again. Edited June 17, 2021 by The Lone Ranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 LR-I see what you are saying now. Makes sense what you are referring to. Im just referring to the fact that ATF could open a can of worms if this is indeed how they want to play it. Can you imagine the amount of FOIA requests on pre samples to see who got them first.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Think it would be the same as a dealer tho it was actually a factory rep?Yes. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 I'd say no. The assumption is that an LE agency directly imported the guns and were direct shipped to the LE fromGermany, which is possible, but probably rare. HK USA is a separate company from HK Germany, operates under US licensing, and is a licensed importer, thus if guns went there first, then to an LE agency, that would not be a direct importation, thus they would be pre-may guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryo Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 My MP5 is a LE. Yah... I got a transferable!$_$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Slapface Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 If only it had a cocking tube laser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftrack Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) Lets not look at a gift horse mouth. Edited August 22, 2021 by halftrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 has anyone heard anything else new on this deal / sale ? has even one of these guns transferred into private ( NON SOT) hands ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Ive been wondering what happened to these as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 This is an interesting read. Does anyone have any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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