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Hello all,

 

The owner of Colt #206 is for sale by owner including a Bridgeport L drum and patent date 20 rd. box mag. The gun seems super clean and original except for maybe the wood. Super Clean! The owner thinks it retains the orignial finish. I do not have my hand in the deal at all...owner can be contacted directly to negotiate a deal. He has advertised it on my website in my new "for sale by owner" area. Pics and contact information is on my website at:

 

TommyGunner.com/206

 

The seller is responsible for all information in the listing and all aspects of the transaction.

 

Just so you know...I did not come up with the figure.

 

I can answer some general questions but details should go to the seller.

 

Damon

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it look's like it could be about a ten year old restoration.from two or three of the old master's.....and the whited lettering doe's nothing for it..and some of that has been on restored, gun's and had been done to enhance pic's...many of earl's gun's had it done to them,and yellowed over the year's.. and the actuator wear doe's not match the gun,there would always be wear in other spot's.. pivot plate looks perfect another giveaway of a restored gun.....the current owner would have to show proof of last few owner's on this one...

 

however if original it could bring $30,000.00 in todays wack-job market for this stuff...

 

i know of another that was done a two digit number...and i think the current owner would want $50,000.00 for it...

 

pretty crazy when we have to pay that kind of dough for restored project's{ not me}

 

i am sure whomever plunk's down his money will do a good research on it...as of today paying $20,000.00 more for something that might not be right.check the ejector....wink!! and what no spare part's box???he-he!!

 

i wish the happy seller luck...and the new future owner.many sleepless night's always wondering....is it really or is it not??or is it?????

 

in the wor'ds of the "dirty harry' bank robber....i just got's to know??

 

take care,ron

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As a courtesy, I was privileged to have viewed this Gun earlier. A few observations. Obviously the price is way out in the atmosphere, and there are a few indications that the Wood was, at one time, messed with by inexperience hands. Nothing major though, and could be saved with just a little effort. I too observed the White Lettering, which has turned yellow with age, but as we are aware, this wasn't a practice done by Colt. Overall, a nice early partially restored Colt '21 which is overpriced in today's Market Place.
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Tell him I will trade him my Savage (all original BTW) for this work of art if he kicks in $20,000.00

 

Did I see WHITE LETTERING???

 

NO!!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

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John, Jr.

Given the lead in on this Colt Thompson, a very civil post on your part. My compliments http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

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As some of you guys probably know, I just picked up a Colt 1921 under 1500 s/n. I also collected Colts for 30 years and had a bunch of guns from this era. Based on that background, the blueing looks a bit odd, IMHO only.

 

Sniper

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At least the white, now yellow, lettering illustrates the sharpness that remains of the original roll stamping. The wear on the Blish belies the amount of bluing that would be left on the weapon if it were never re blued. Of course the blued over scratches is a dead give away. But at some point during the cosmetic surgery, they really screwed the pooch by going way overboard with the removal of any character that was accumulated on the wood from 80+ years of handling and, or, just natural age.

 

Of course there is a record of what this exact TSMG looked like when it was photographed for Cox's book. Mysteriously, some of the blemishes on the gun that existed back in 1982 have disappeared!

 

So how does the seller arrive at the 50K figure? Because it is a three digit Colt TSMG? Because it lives on in immortality for having been one of the TSMG's used in Cox's book? It certainly can't be because it has been restored. If that were the arbiter for value, then any Colt TSMG owner could just as easily do the same to their weapon and be in the same exorbitant neighborhood.

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Arthur

I wonder if the white lettering is a holdover from the photos taken for Cox's book.

I concur on the blued over scratches as I thought I was seeing ones that looked blued over!

The wood may be original to the gun but certainly is not original finish now.

I will have to pull out my Cox book but what blemishes are you noting in the book that are missing now?

michael

 

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If the guy is asking $50k my guess is realistic market price would be too low for him to accept.

My assumption is this is refinished blue and the above statement would be different if otherwise.

Too hard to tell for me from pics if this is a refinished blue.

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We all have purchased refinished guns in the past - but not at that price. I am sure some on this board know the history of this gun and are just gentlemen.

 

As stated its sad someone worked over what was once a great collector - reduced to a shooter by someone with a blueing tank.

 

 

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There was an absolutely MINT! Colt 1921 #706 for sale at the SAR show at $37K. I took a special interest in it as it was only two numbers removed from one of my Colts #708. As far as I could tell it was all original. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif

I saw another mint 1921 gun that still had the original nickle plated oil can in the stock complete with vertigris.!!! Never been touched. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif

 

They are still out there folks.

 

Regards and Merry Christmas to you all.

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Pic 3 and 4 show a fake bolt. Or at least a S bolt with the P removed--bottom right of the Blish lock slot. See the little divot ground into the metal?

 

A pair of calipers would prove this, Colt bolts are just ever so slightly longer than S and AOC bolts.

 

Doug

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QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Dec 15 2004, 12:35 AM)
AZDoug,

I agree. Those bolt pictures just didn't look right to me, in general; looked like a lot of grinding and polishing might have been done. But I guess it could just be the photography.

Pic 3 and 4 show a fake bolt. Or at least a S bolt with the P removed--bottom right of the Blish lock slot. See the little divot ground into the metal?

A pair of calipers would prove this, Colt bolts are just ever so slightly longer than S and AOC bolts.

Doug

So the 50K gun is a fake at best. Figures.

 

God, I am glad I don't collect Colt crap. From the fake parts to the ground off letters on GI parts....

 

No Thanks

 

 

 

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QUOTE (John Jr @ Dec 14 2004, 11:45 PM)

God, I am glad I don't collect Colt crap. From the fake parts to the ground off letters on GI parts....

i found an original 1921 Colt bolt at the SAR show for not too much more than NIW GI bolts were selling for, so i had the seller do a lay-a-way type thing, and brought in a 10X jewelers loupe and GI bolt (for comparison) in the next day to inspect it for weld overs, machining marks, dimensions, etc.

 

Turned out to be original, and I completed the transaction, but you gotta be diligent these days. I saw some idiot that was selling welded over S bolts, as Colt (he actually claimed ignorance and got the deer-in-headlights look when pressed), back in 1997 at a PHX show for $450 per bolt! (look for a funny spot in the metal grain where the S should be)

 

Doug

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It looks to be a great shooter, but I wouldn't pay much more than $20,000 for this package. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif The rebluing and wood refinishing make the difference. Also, the white/yellow lettering mean nothing to me. The photos are good, however. Thanks for bringing this gun to our attention Damon. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Regards, Walter
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QUOTE (Murray @ Dec 15 2004, 03:09 AM)
I saw another mint 1921 gun that still had the original nickle plated oil can in the stock complete with vertigris.!!! Never been touched. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif

Murray just exactly what is "vertigris"?

How much were they asking for this particular gun?

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