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#41 huggytree

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 04:26 PM

some report 400+ days....but id think your very,very close....

 

with my latest purchase i asked him to tell the details to his wife/kids in case something happens to him...he is a bit older(retired) and you never know....best to have all the details shared with others since its a 1 year wait....stupid to have to think of such things, but its 2.5 months since the 100,000 suppressor trusts went through and the wait for a form 4 trust has not changed at all....so you have to expect at this point that a trust is going to be very lengthy forever


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 09:07 AM

dealer just got one back this week---13 months....(not mine)


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 10:14 AM

Based on the recent reports on NFA Tracker for Form 4 Individual forms, somewhere around 150-170 days seems to be happening. I'm sitting right at 167 today - hoping I get some good news soon!


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 10:27 AM

So, now I had the urge to call and get a status update...still "pending."


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 10:37 AM

I just called NFA to check status of my machine gun transfer that started 11-8-16 and was told it was "Processing", I asked the guy (so it's not Pending, it's processing and he said yes!

 

 Kinda don't know what that is,  but I guess it's better than pending!   


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 10:45 AM

Processing means that it is being reviewed and not just sitting in the great stack of forms on someone's desk - assuming there are no issues you should be "approved" soon.


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 03:34 PM

Woo Hoo!!! After calling this AM and being told my SBR Individual Form 4 was "pending", I got a call on my way home from a very nice woman from ATF to confirm my place/State of birth - we somehow missed putting it on my fingerprint cards. Instead of sending the form back, she called me. I talked to her for a few minutes - very friendly and professional - and she confirmed she was working my Form now and, assuming there were no issues with my background check, it would be approved soon!! 

 

I am sitting at 167 Days from Date of Check Cashing to entering "Processing".


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 03:45 PM

Congrats.
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Posted 20 October 2017 - 04:28 PM

167 days and they just now discovered the fingerprint card problem????  How long before they forward the cards to to the (yawn) FBI?


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 05:13 PM

amazing you got the phone call....mine get sent back for silly things they could just do over the phone also....so your lucky and just saved yourself 2 weeks

 

as for taking 167 days to discover it? odds are it sat in a folder for 166 days untouched


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 05:33 PM

amazing you got the phone call....mine get sent back for silly things they could just do over the phone also....so your lucky and just saved yourself 2 weeks

 

as for taking 167 days to discover it? odds are it sat in a folder for 166 days untouched

 

Exactly - they cash the check/process the credit card and it goes into the pile until someone gets to it. She mentioned it should be complete "in a few days."


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 10:17 PM

Customer mailed in his F4 the first week of May, I received the approved transfer today.  Just a bit over five months.

 

From the time I ordered the supressor and delivery to the customer today total time is roughly 6 1/2 months.


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 12:41 AM

Yikes... seems I made a mistake with a Trust Form 4... 


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 06:52 AM

Yikes... seems I made a mistake with a Trust Form 4... 

 

I never recommend a trust to my customers.


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 07:04 AM

A trust makes it easy to transfer guns to your kids. They can avoid the fingerprints and mugshot

I started a new trust after July 16 and wont add my wife until all my items are in there

I assumed after the July 16 stuff was past that the trust approval would accelerate just like the individual has done. Instead it appears its gotten slower. Im curious if this is to discourage people or if its just typical government working the way it does
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Posted 21 October 2017 - 06:50 PM

A trust makes it easy to transfer guns to your kids. They can avoid the fingerprints and mugshot

 

Could you expand on this?  Is it a trust that continues on after your death so not actually transferring anything?


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Posted 22 October 2017 - 08:30 AM

yes....if i live long enough and if there is interest i can add grand children to the trust..insuring it gets passed on to further generations w/o paperwork

 

im insuring no finger prints or mug shots for anyone i can get added before i die

 

 

you never know where the govt. regulations may land on this...they may say my trust is worthless? or they may some day say no more future transfers..owner dies? hand the gun in......if i can pass them on to my kids (of which 1 or 2 will definitely want) it makes me happy.....

 

we are 1 mass shooting away with a registered FA from losing our rights on them.....i see it as inevitable 


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Posted 22 October 2017 - 10:59 AM

If there are any future regulations they will certainly be on trusts and entities for the sole reasons you've laid out, effectively the lack of what I'd call (and sort of what ATF defines as) a responsible person.   In all likelihood your "trustees or members" will eventually be photographed and fingerprinted at some point in the future.    The fact NFA registered firearms are effectively never used in crimes all boils down to "responsible people".   All crimes are committed by irresponsible people who not only lack general responsibility, but are not attached or accountable for the tools they choose to commit their crimes.   
NFA ownership is 100% about someone being solely responsible for the item/s they are titled with and having skin in the game.  Passing on things with no responsibility is almost always a problem, be it money in a trust, lottery winnings, and almost anything else that's free and effectively "unearned" in some way, ends poorly.  
The entire concept of you adding on unvetted people after the fact is the current Achilles heel of the recent change.  As time goes by there will be problems and changes will be made to prevent unvetted people from having access to NFA items. 
 
High machine machinegun prices have had the effect of vetting generally responsible people from those that are not (read suppressor and SBR people).  I was told NFA branch received 1600 bounced checks I believe last year alone.   These are 1600 irresponsible people that should not own NFA items IMO.  I will also bet 99.9% of them did not involve machine gun transfers.   Ponder some idiots bouncing a check for a suppressor and in all likelihood they involved a trust.   While I'm no fan of a bunch of ATF rules, I believe these people are "ripe" for creating an incident that will limit our freedoms and increase rules in the future and I for one don't want to see them skirting the rules and jeopardizing my current rights and access.   I think I could do away with brady bunch checks and go to credit reports and solve most of the problems like most business' have.   Responsibility traverses and transcends most aspects of life and generally shows up as a pattern.
 
Including your kids sounds great, but as a parent in a rather affluent area, all I will say is that I've seen really bad things happen to great kids with excellent parents and it's somewhat unpredictable.  My hobby is my hobby, these things don't generally pass down generations.
 
The sole fact that NFA items are effectively "titled", to me, means that they may indeed be the last to go vs. the first.  I don't recall the gov. "taking" anything without some form of compensation, especially in the case of something specifically spelled out in the constitution of which over 300 million exist.  If you follow regulations in other countries you'll see how this has been done systematically.  As far as I know there are still firearms owners in every country, but in harshest countries only the well connected have them due to regulations tailored to them. 

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 12:43 PM

Amen


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 03:11 PM

Hey there's a new triangle finally on the NFA Tracker trust.......368 days i believe......i think it has gone 3+ weeks w/o 1 new triangle.......i was starting to think they dont update their charts or the NFA stopper trust approval.....


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