Petroleum 1 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Im not interested in buying but interested in hearing what you guys see here. Tia Vinny https://machineguncentral.com/ViewDetails.aspx?p=307--1f7701ce-ffb1-4a75-8598-2d718edb07a6 Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Frank appears to be the up and coming Ruben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) minus the quality, service and pictures in this case he actually has a nice/quality photo...seems like something is changing with him...prices sure have Edited November 23, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Frank G has bought the Subguns website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Yes Tom Bowers retired. So Frank is the owner maybe we can get better pic's talked to frank once years ago and that is about it. Don't know how he deal's.. hopefully like old school. but broker stuff can be rough, Will report a old grease gun deal M3A1 later about gun brokering. Always the best you buy it you own it and you sell it..Golden rule. Colt21A Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 He is doing weird bargaining. I know someone who brought up an email price and they would not honor it. Playing games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhunter Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I'm pretty sure 99% of his poor pictures are taken by the guy selling him the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Sure not like JACK THE DOG pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I'm pretty sure 99% of his poor pictures are taken by the guy selling him the gun.Would you take a junk pic if you wanted to sell your gun? Even through a broker ??? Or are the pics to hide a pos and intentional from the top down. Gotta ask yourself how 99% give the same result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhunter Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 It seems to me he buys guns and already has them listed on his sellers pics. There is never a consistent back drop. Grass, basements, bricks, decks. Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Why are they consistently bad? When you Sell anything. A car a gun whatever. Do you take a nice pic? I do. Its not a photo studio. But I can take some nice pics. Even with my phone. Take the gun outside on a sunny day and get the angle right. Nope. Instead take fuzzy pics on a $20,000 gun you hope to sell. When I see a pattern I assume its by design. People buy his guns off these pics. The right type of Customer. One who buys on a dream and not reality. Ive been that person on a few purchases. Buying a machine gun is an exciting thing. You hope for the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 His business is mostly brokerage for MGs so many are not on his books. Always been very difficult to get accurate info about the guns from him or his help when the guns are not on his books. Often inaccurate info, too, with what seems to be little or no interest on his part to correct it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 As said, most of his guns are brokered and he never touches them. In that case you are using him as the middle man to get info from the seller. A little different than buying from someone who owns the gun, has it in their possession and hires a professional photographer to take pics. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) you dont need to hire a pro photographer.....an average person with a cell phone and 5 minutes can take 10x better pics than what ive seen (typically-not always).... its hard for me to believe 99% of his customers are unable to take a nice photo...yea- i see some, but all??? you believe no one can take a pic in focus? no one can take 20 detailed pics outdoors ?...they can only take 2-4 pics? or are they instructed to take 4 pictures in the dark w/o a flash? go to craigs list...look at any pic....do they look better or worse than franks?.......the average person can take a beautiful pic with a Iphone in seconds.... doesnt need to be professional with perfect color....just needs to show surface distress and rust/dents....... i 100% understand the communication issues they have with sellers....some are estates, some are elderly.....ive tried to buy a few with good info and more pics in a day...yet others ive asked for pics for 3 weeks and never got any info....isnt gathering the info and correct pics part of their job? wouldnt they want 25 good pics? dont they know enough to ask the seller for correct info needed to sell the gun?.. your not giving the average person enough credit...and frank a pass Edited November 25, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Huggy-why don't you go take photos of the guns Frank sells then? When I sold him mine, I took several pics for him and when I bought from him I asked for several different pics. Many who are selling guns through him don't know what is and what is not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 If one sells in my area I would just to prove my point Many of these guns may be estate guns. I get that excuse. Also many may be elderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgvince Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Fact is, his guns sell. I'm sure photos are not a big concern to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 MG VINCE that babe getting out of the car now lets say that's a nice photo.Don't want the post to go haywire about now. Colt 21A Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67ray Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Does anyone actually have an opinion about the gun? Per the reason for this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightguy Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 SN 2768 Greene County Jefferson Iowa Sheriff's dept per Cox book.Looks nice to me except something funky going on with the pivot plate (?) Looks to be painted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertord Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Buttstock looks sanded with metal overhang on buttplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 The gun is not a bad example but looks like it has been touched up a bit. I have never seen a Colt Thompson that has been fired, not have some circular rub marks in the area of the safety. Also, I have pointed out a scratch that appears to have been blued over. The pivot plate has been beaten on with a punch- type tool at some point. Looks like some armorer didn't know how to remove it, or used a punch to knock it back in place. The JHB stamp also looks to have been blued over. That stamp was affixed after the gun was blued and usually broke the bluing. The price is pretty high for a gun with that much work done to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Good info...nice gun but not for 50k i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Excellent analysis. Given the prices of Colt's in today's market, any prospective buyer should pay gijive $500 to perform an inspection prior to plunking down the cash. Of course, if they will post pictures on the Board, he will do it for free. Thanks Chuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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