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#21 RoscoeTurner


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:14 AM

Better chance of seeing the sun rise in the West and set in the East.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:19 AM

Had no chance of passing.  The argument was lost years ago when liberals incrementally taught people guns kill people, instead of bad people kill people.  Effectively all people are good and we should let them illegally immigrate, vote while in prison for murder, etc., virtually anything except own guns because they are bad.  If you own one, you are also a bad person because you are going to kill something or someone with it.   If you eat salad and don't own guns you are the best person on the planet.   Until this foolish mindset changes don't expect any restoration of firearms rights, just a gradual decline of society toward socialism.   The masses are lazy and stupid and will do what they are told.....especially when medicated and distracted.  Less guns, more drugs is the current agenda, that's what won the last governors race in WI.


100% true. Watch the movie " Idiocracy"   

Insulate yourself. Become a rational "prepper"  Back up to a lake so half your neighbors are fish. Live on a cul-de-sac and exercise every day. 

Pray for sunshine and prepare for rain. 

The dummies go along dumb and happy. They get dumber and less prepared for what's coming. Makes my life easier.


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#23 shadycon


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:10 AM

In my opinion I think that alot of what is happening to our COUNTRY is like brain washing! Keep saying it is bad for years and it gets believable! :unsure:

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:29 AM

I agree that we should stay in the shadows and if the NFA is overturned, there is no telling what will replace it, but something surely will. States where you can even own a 30 round mag seem to be falling like dominoes. I think the real fight should be to preserve the rights in the states.
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#25 m1a1bert



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 03:50 PM

I agree it's better to leave as is...most have no clue what can be owned!

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:11 PM

How many of these petitions have actually made any affect at all since the Trumperor was sworn in?  IIRC, there isn't one of these petitions he's given a crap about.  He's more of a twitter guy.

Edited by giantpune, 12 February 2019 - 09:11 PM.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 09:01 AM

Better chance of seeing the sun rise in the West and set in the East.


That happened in the movie: "The Green Berets".  So, you're saying there's a chance? ;)

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 11:33 PM

This same bill is how the flood of surplus guns was able to be imported into the USA (post 1986) in numbers not seen since the 1960's.

One other point that is worth taking the time to "research", NFA is NOT protected by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.
The courts have ruled on that more than once.


I was shocked to learn the above, it was the attorneys at Reeves-Dola (Washington based, representing the F.A.I.R Trade Group) who explained this to me while I was on the board of directors.
The F.A.I.R. Trade board met with the department heads of ATF at least twice a year, right across the table.

I like being prepared for meetings such as this, so I would have some pretty lengthy discussions with the attorney's.

Those same attorneys have ended a lot of "poorly written public policy proposals" by working the back channels at ATF, US DoS and the US Congress.
I am glad they are where they are, doing what they do!




Actually you have this one buttbackwards Richard.


What has been established in higher Courts inclusive of SCOTUS is the ONLY​ thing 2nd Amendment protections indeed do apply towards is to arms generally suitable to militia use.


One can read this a variety of ways but say something like a .410 shotgun really are way outside those rulings

Now a select fire weapon in a common chambering ?

That's easily arguable as generally suitable

particularly if it's in current use by DoD


This goes back to the standard established in Miller affirming his conviction under the new NFA

The government's argument was that a sawed off shotgun was not generally suitable to use by a public militia


It's an intriguing nuance as under it a fudd gunners Browning over and under shotty wouldn't have Constitutional protection yet a M16 would


We can diverge even further

If you can not apply a tax to limit access to Voting it's equally unlawful to apply taxation to limit access to protected classes of arms isn't it

This is basic Constitutional Law 101

Now let's take it a bit further Richard...


How about heavy weapons ?

Well up until 1968 there was no such thing as a DD

yeah one could lawfully buy and possess a damn German Railway gun and ammo

There were some transit regulations on explosives but little prevented one from possessing HE ammo until the passage of the GCA

If you had deep enough pockets, in America you were able to own your own battleship and it had been that way since the founding of this great Nation.


There is always a clear and serious degree of outright ignorance regarding the historical backdrop in all this

Here's the deal friend

Up through Teddy Roosevelt rich boys  created private armies.  Teddy's Rough Riders during the SA War were one of the very last examples of sort of private Militias.

As President TR tried to change that up.

The big issue was the disparity Ted saw in Cuba

You had general Army armed mostly with .45-70 trapdoors

Marines with 6mm Lees

New York State militia using .50-70 rolling blocks

Conneticut issued .45 Peabody

other States, 11mm guns

it was a logistical nightmare in combat


The result was the creation of the National Guard

research the Militia Act of 1903 and the 1916 NDA


Anyways I really have no poops given over what opinions some lower Court vents, it's actually meaningless outside that jurisdiction

The Supremes had their say in the Dirty 30s vis Miller

All I am stating is there is a ton of period context in both the Law and rulings you seem to be overlooking regarding this entire matter.

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