TSMGguy Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Nice gun here. This is the "war finish", in unpolished blue. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/878862729 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Nice gunNice price (for the seller) In picture 6 what are the two faint circular marks in front of the flaming bomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 I watched this auction and was surprised it didnt go for more money, The '97 seems to get more interest in the auctions. Idk what those marks are probably some sort of pitting or finish wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 It almost looks like there was something stamped very lightly in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 The marks near the lower right corner of the ejection port are caused by spot hardening in that area. The blued model 12 military riot and trench guns have some discoloration in that area too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Henley Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 I saw two others recently on GB, one for $13,495: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/876719232 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879209381 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) This one just listed has those same spot marks near the ejection port. https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/880470695 Edited October 3, 2020 by Petroleum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted October 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) This one just listed has those same spot marks near the ejection port. https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/880470695 That's a very nice M12! Don't know what the marks are, but I have a 1942 M12 in original factory fresh condition. It has a high polish blue finish, and there are not any marks like that. I think the gun linked proves that Winchester produced M12s with a parked finish. Edited October 3, 2020 by TSMGguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 I have some questions about the link i posted. Im not positive but the serial number in the pic comes up 1946 which is out of even the parked WW2 serial numbers. I see sn 108**** but if its 103****its correct. I sent the seller a note asking for the serial number. His pic is a little fuzzy. Also i asked him for the barrel date code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 No connection to the auction. The same Gunbroker seller has sold quite a few 1911's that some experienced 1911 collectors on a forum have some reservations about originality. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 TSMGguy, what is the serial number of your gun? Are you sure it is a 1942 made gun. And Is it a Military contract Model 12 or a commercial Model 12? As I mentioned above, just about every WWII Military contract Model 12 shotgun has the heat treat discoloration at the lower right corner of the ejection port. The blued guns will show a slightly darker blue in that area from the heat treatment. This discoloration is called the "Thumbprint". And yes, the last few thousand Model 12 trench guns made during WWII had a parkerized finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) If this guys add on GB is 103*** sn this gun would be at the very very tail end of the Model 12 trench production and the park job would be correct and very rare. Edited October 3, 2020 by Petroleum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted October 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) TSMGguy, what is the serial number of your gun? Are you sure it is a 1942 made gun. And Is it a Military contract Model 12 or a commercial Model 12? Hi, Tom, I own 9385xx, with a 42 barrel date. This serial number is a bit lower than the range specified in Canfield's US Combat Shotguns. It's an M12 trench with full martial markings. The gun's high polish "commercial" finish is original and perfect, but I don't see the "thumbprint", even in bright sunlight. I'll post some good quality pictures of it here soon. The price for the auction M12 linked above is $4,500, but the reserve is something more than that. Edited October 3, 2020 by TSMGguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 If this guys add on GB is 103*** sn this gun would be at the very very tail end of the Model 12 trench production and the park job would be correct and very rare.It is a 103*** sn which is in the correct range. The barrel date is '43 that is correct too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted October 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 The serial number is 1035032. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 9385XX is very early for a WWII trench gun. A Model 12 receiver that early probably would not have the thumbprint. I think Bruce Canfield has/had a Model 12 riot gun that didn't have the thumbprint. But from what I can tell it's found on just about every WWII Model 12 military shotgun from the high 960,xxx serial number range to the end of military production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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