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#41 83Baron

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 10:09 AM

Thanks Bob. I'm interested in the mp5pdw, but wonder how that compares to the mp5a3 versus mp5a2 models. Also as far as parts and durability are concerned, is an mp5 still a better overall choice compared to a colt 9mm package. Appreciate the input.
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Posted 16 September 2015 - 03:33 PM

The PDW is actually an MP5K Which was made from an SP89 pistol. I prefer the full size MP5 either A2 or A3 configuration and of those two, I shoot my gun as an A2 just about all the time. It's not as "cool" but it's far more accurate for me. I have an M16 and I like to shoot it as a 9MM. It's not as smooth as the H&K but it's quick and very easy to handle. All my stuff is Colt and H&K. Parts are available but I rarely need to replace anything. You can't go wrong with either platform but they ain't cheap. Try to shoot these guns or at least handle them before laying out cash. Where are you located?

 

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 06:01 PM

Bug has it correct, the MP5 is the Cadillac of modern submachineguns. As stated you cant go wrong with either platform. I own 2 HK MP5's and a HK MP5SD and the Colt 9mm SMG . I would purchase the HK MP5 platform over the Colt 9mm every time even though the Colt 9mm is a great addition to a collection. The HK MP5 in all  its forms is the finest SMG  I have owned . The Colt 9mm is a fun gun to shoot but the heavy bolt is noticeable during firing and hard on the weapon over time. The one thing I like about the 9mm SMG is the muscle memory of the M16 platform. I love the M16 !!


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Posted 17 September 2015 - 03:30 PM

I've owned numerous MP-5's over the years. All but 1 were registered receiver push pin guns including

my MP5-PDW. The push pin allows the use to switch lowers (SEF,Navy,burst,etc) very easily.

All of mine had the 3 lugged barrels as well as the paddle mag release.

I also owned an original Colt 635 9mm (M-16 variant) as well.

I'd take the MP5 full size with the A3 stock over the M16 anytime


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#45 83Baron

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Posted 17 September 2015 - 10:17 PM

Thanks for all the replies. The mp5-pdw, mp5a2 or a3 I'm looking at are all terry dyer conversion guns with the paddle mag release, lugged barrels, and the multiple firing selections. They are good looking guns, just leaned towards the compactness of the pdw. I've shot the mp5a2, and very controllable with the stock like Bob said. As far as current market prices, is about 30-31k a fair price for a dyer conversion mp5-pdw with the sear pack. Thanks
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Posted 18 September 2015 - 07:51 AM

Are these sear guns or registered receivers?
Price seems about right for push pin registered receiver guns

but a little high for sear guns.

A sear is now mid to upper 20's I'd guess plus a few thousand for a host

Seems like it should be sub $30,000

Then again the last MP-5 I bought was my Billistics registered receiver gun

for $10,000


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 07:54 AM

Just saw this ad on Sturm

http://www.sturmgewe...cgi?read=174605

 

MP-5 sear gun with some extras for $29,500


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 08:49 AM

Yes they are sear guns. From what I've gathered, registered receivers are pretty rare, and most are pre-86 anyway. I believe Terry Dyer did one of the best conversions out there. So if the sear is upper 20's, then at least a few thousand for a host gun, I guess the 30-31 range is not out of the norm for price. You agree?
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Posted 18 September 2015 - 09:41 AM

I think you can still get a sear gun for sub 30.

If your comfortable with the price and the seller,

don't let a couple grand stop you


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 10:33 AM

I have 2 MP-5's that I've owned since the late 1980's.  To be absolutely correct, they are converted HK-94's, with sequential serial numbers.  One is set up in A3, and the other in A2.  I prefer the A2 stock.  It's the most accurate submachine gun I've ever encountered.  I've never had any problems with either of them, except for the time that we let someone shoot it about 25 years ago with their own ammo...barrel got slightly bulged by a squib round.  It still shoots fine, and I have a replacement barrel, but never have had it fixed.  Lesson learned about letting someone shoot it at a MG shoot with unknown ammo...

 

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Posted 18 September 2015 - 03:16 PM

The asking price seems about right to me.  Most converted HK94's I've seen lately have been priced between $4500 and $5500 so you're looking at picking up the sear for $24k-$25k.


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Posted 19 September 2015 - 08:50 AM

Here's a couple examples for sale

Wilson MP5 A2 and A3 stocks, spare lower $25,000

http://www.gunbroker...?Item=506707085

 

Another by HTA for $25,000

http://www.gunbroker...?Item=506822489

 

Fleming sear gun $25,000

http://www.gunbroker...?Item=505914780

 

MP5SD $26,000

http://www.gunbroker...?Item=508330300

 

One more for $24,000

http://www.gunbroker...?Item=508542883


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Posted 20 September 2015 - 12:23 AM

Appreciate all the input. As far as the gun itself, is the pdw more valuable than an a2,a3, etc. or pretty much just preference. Thanks
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Posted 20 September 2015 - 09:50 AM

Yes, PDWs are a little more valuable due the premium on the SP89. For a newly made, all German pdw SBR from one of the top builders (TPM, TSC, TDyer, etc) expect to pay 7 - 8K. One with an original pdw barrel (very rare) could fetch over 9K. They are sweet guns, my favorite of the HK subguns.
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 05:24 PM

So dont know if im in the wright spot i was wondering if a M16 m16 auto sears has to be sold with a tax stamp or if it is juat a part at this point till put togeather ?


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 10:21 PM

You are not very clear on what you are asking.  What you mean by auto sear could be two different things which would be two completely different answers.


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 07:51 PM

you just want to buy a FA M16 internal parts?

 

grey area if you dont own a M16


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 08:13 PM

the sear itself is just a part anyone can own and buy from several sources.  If you own an AR-15 it becomes a little more gray.  If you own the rest of the fire control parts specific to the M16 and an AR-15, it becomes even more gray.  If you start milling and drilling a lower, that's a line you've crossed for sure.  Since there are no registered sears that are not attached to lowers at this point because they all had to be installed in lowers in 1986, you can't get a stamp at this point.

There are other "auto sear type" devices that can be sold separate from the lowers, but again those were all registered before the end of May 1986. HTH


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