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#1 huggytree

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Posted 21 July 2018 - 05:35 PM

Nfasales has a m1 for $23,000
http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/weapons/
It looks to be original finish. Ive never seen a m1 all original for sale before. Thought someone might be interested.

Ive bought from John before. A good guy to deal with

Edited by huggytree, 21 July 2018 - 05:36 PM.

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#2 Adg105200

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 05:08 AM

Looks like a good gun for a good price. But that's going off of 2 pictures.

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 06:14 AM

im trying to help someone here out....doesnt seem like anyone has any interest in an original m1 for $23k.........the only original finish m1 ive ever seen for sale in the 3 years ive been in the market...this gun should have already been sold...if i had the $$ right now i would have bought it

 

more pics i got...markings

 

thats not a repark/refinish like everyone out there...thats original!...for the price of a redo/mismatch gun

 

 

the gun looks like a time capsule, not a redone brand new finish gun like others have for $28k...this might be all original for $23k

 

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 08:11 AM

That's a great deal! Definitely original finish (you can see that the proof stamps were applied after Du-lite finish) and original buttstock. Factory original/ non re- arsenal/ original finish M1s are pretty rare. It's been a few years since I've seen one for sale too. Todd in Oregon


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 08:51 AM

FWIW, my personal observation has been that many collectors want WWII era firearms with battle use, or at least military fielding - "battle scarred veterans" as it were.  This M1 appears to be a firearm that was never issued, and was later donated to the law enforcement agency.  I realize that there is a dichotomy of thought here as there are also some collectors who want WWII era firearms with no flaws whatsoever - "New Old Stock" as it were.  Just needs the right buyer.  Though the price may be too high for today's essentially flat machine gun market.

 

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 11:07 AM

FWIW, my personal observation has been that many collectors want WWII era firearms with battle use, or at least military fielding - "battle scarred veterans" as it were.  This M1 appears to be a firearm that was never issued, and was later donated to the law enforcement agency.  I realize that there is a dichotomy of thought here as there are also some collectors who want WWII era firearms with no flaws whatsoever - "New Old Stock" as it were.  Just needs the right buyer.  Though the price may be too high for today's essentially flat machine gun market.

 

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I believe someone who got into trouble with the law donated the gun to the police because he was going to jail. This was in 1957 so who knows what the real reason was. The seller got the gun recently thru an auction by the PD. Why do you think this gun never saw action or was not issued to the army? is it because the gun never went thru an armory rebuild and park job?? I guess it could have been issued to another PD somewhere idk it would be interesting to find out where it has come from.


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 12:21 PM

Buy the gun not the story...


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 06:28 PM

so its not a good ww2 gun because it looks too nice???

 

its marked as being accepted- GEG

 

if it saw light use or no use...its a ww2 gun...would it be better to be rusted and pitted and refinished?

 

this is a unicorn in my opinion.......only wish i had $23 to toss away...id already own it


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 07:36 PM

Huggy, its just money youll get it back :) I already have a nice one as well but it does look nice.
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Posted 23 July 2018 - 07:46 PM

If I were in the market for a Thompson M1/M1A1 and had $23K to spend on it, I'd throw in another $500 and get this one:

 

http://www.sturmgewe.../#comment-31363

 

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 07:58 PM

If I were in the market which I am not, I would buy the one discussed in the thread. I would look at it in person and not buy based solely on the photos.

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 08:09 PM

If I were in the market for a Thompson M1/M1A1 and had $23K to spend on it, I'd throw in another $500 and get this one:
 
http://www.sturmgewe.../#comment-31363
 
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Youd rather have a refinished redone gun than an original ww2 gun in what appears to be in great shape??

I wouldnt buy without more pics. But from what I see I like it. John is honest guy. Ive bought from him before. 10 nice pics and Id be willing to buy without a plane ticket.
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Posted 23 July 2018 - 08:29 PM

Looks like a good deal for someone.   I wonder if it has Police Department markings on it?   Would not bother me as I like a shooter with history but might distract some collectors.


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 08:56 PM

Small point, but I believe the Ordnance acceptance stamp is Atwood's "FJA" not Goll's "GEG".  Goll, being a civilian Auto-Ordnance employee. 


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 09:00 PM

I'll bet that it was imported by Interarms or one of the other importers back in the 1950's and sold to a police agency.  That is about as original of an M1 as you are going to find.  Obviously went to the military and undoubtedly saw WWII service before being imported back to the US.  Just because it wasn't arsenal refinished doesn't mean it didn't see WWII service.  Not too many of those type around anymore.


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 09:32 PM

I am going to take a contrary position on the finish having learned to be very sceptical after living for a number of years in MO. The Dulite finish used on the original M1s, etc, guns was black oxide, not bluing. The finish in the pic seems be bluish although thinned and bleached by the flash. I am of the opinion that it is not an original finish. The pics on Johns site are indeterminate in regard to the finish.
The early black oxide finish is very difficult to capture with a flash as it washes out pretty dramatically and looks like park. If I can do it, Ill try getting some accurate pics of the color and texture of an original black oxide finish.
What is the small stamp in the pic of the bottom edge of the right front end of the receiver? It appears to have been struck after the edge was ground which is very curious given that the lower edge appears to have been ground with a full radius and is slightly curved, no longer straight. The standard M1s have a radius to a slight edge at the top of the radius, which is straight along the axis of the receiver. There is a darker bluish vertical strip right by the wood. Something going on here that does not look right to me.

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 02:18 AM

Some additional photos that may help. SN# is 68061

Bob...the stamp you are referring to is GHD which is an acceptance stamp from Col Guy H drewery

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 05:03 AM

Looks like it very well might be the original DuLite finish with just enough wear on it to have some metal showing through to give it the shine in the photos. Definitely a nice gun.

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 06:32 AM

if they refinished it they skipped the sight rivets

 

and rarely if ever are they that smart

 

if its refinished they didnt sand it down..lots of cross sanding marks still there...

 

i agree many more pics needed

 

the story is someone turned the gun into the police....it isnt a ''police'' gun...it just sat at a police dept...John bought it at a recent police auction (i believe)

 

i know buy the gun, not the story.....but if true could be a smuggled in gun w/o any importation stamps


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Posted 24 July 2018 - 06:53 AM

"the story is someone turned the gun into the police....it isnt a ''police'' gun...it just sat at a police dept...John bought it at a recent police auction (i believe)"

 

Oh, that is cool!


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