StrangeRanger Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Not mine, saw it on GBS/N 6422https://www.gunbroker.com/item/832540384Is that a scratch or a crack on the left side of the receiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 I doubt it is a crack.But maybe early Deerslayer wood?And definitely looks like a PK 21 kit in it - or some other manufacturer.Lower internals are suspect. I can't tell,Buttstock hardware all blued - 1928? Here is where you want TD's book handy.... -Reblued-Non original wood-Matching numbers All that said - it sure looks nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Looks like one of the stock sets I've made.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gio Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 I didn't find this Colt in Gordon's newest book. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Frank,You need to look again. There is a lot of history regarding NO 6422 in Gordon's 6th edition. These pictures display the perfect shooter grade Colt; re-blue and incomplete. I believe NO 6422 had a very hard life during its early years. What few original parts remain have been re-blued. Note the cut-down GI actuator. I could have added another chapter to my book with pictures of this Colt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryKeim Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Clearly refinished, right? I've never seen a right-side without scratches in the area of the safety/selector pins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimcrew Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 I hope he is this ignorant, and not trying to mislead: It is of interest to note that the anchor marking is no longer present on the stock. That which was never there can not be "no longer present". Does the barrel look original? I am trying to learn how to ID an original Colt barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiz Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Beautiful wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) The GI front sight does hint at some replacement work.Definitely will not be harmed by shooting it. Edited September 16, 2019 by mnshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gio Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) TD. My bad looked up in volume 2 instead of volume 1. It does have some interesting history involving the courts. The gun was rebarreled by the person in Middle TN that restored. For me it would have to go pretty cheap for me to be a player. Frank Edited September 16, 2019 by Gio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Contacted the seller. He describes the line on the left side of the receiver as "a mark in the blueing" whatever that means. Caveat emptor applies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Refinished/reblued, not the original wood, no pics of the internals and the seller's less than honest statements = no sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimcrew Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I wonder if the seller knows the history of this gun, and what happened to the last seller who misrepresented it? Oh the irony that could transpire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiz Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 The gun is located not too far from Frank Iannamico. Maybe he could get eyes on it and give us a run down. I would buy his gas and lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I bet it even looks more crappy in person.I have said this a hundred times, This is what the Thompson folks have gone to refinished crap, Not even a restoration like Turnbull cond. and dented drums and rusted or pitted magazines with guns and whatever crap they can turn up. The days of primo have passed on. 98% 99% stuff is buried forever. And i do remember a few telling me well over ten years ago.What you don't have any 95% guns and cased set to sell anymore. for $15,000 what is up with that.I feel for the new guy upstart to buy his First Thompson.Having to spend now his hard earned money of $30 grand to start, For some well worn wrong part gun. Or some rehashed shooter. Or yet a Wes Hurley a 1950's Thompson. with no lick of History to it at all. But a low cost replica.Of a long by gone era to make a few bucks and keep the dream alive. Shipped out in a flimsy card board box with a used mag for $550 bucks.that cocked open like a western whores legs,{Not Smooth} And parts so sharp you could slice the hand open.and some cast parts.And slots cut that a real drum would not fit just right. So hang on to that Minty Colt have it in the will to get buried with you. Or for yourself to be cremated and loaded in a hundred 45acp's and fired thru it in a C drum to go out in a Bang. We have seen the last good old days of these pieces of Steel and Wood firearm Art. RON K. >Chuck Did have the last nice Piece of history sold here.We can thank him for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gio Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I think that there will be some more good Colts for sale. The price of very good Colts being so high some of us old guys will turn loose for a good return on investment. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Hope springs eternal! Maltese Falcon: Bogart had a remark also..Heck wish i owned the Falcon.RON K. see ya's at SAR whoever decides to go this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Well remember that there was 25 or so decent Colt guns that came and went into the market thanks to SLPD. Perhaps this is the market now as people are selling off the less Colt guns they had to recoup money from the SLPD upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightguy Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Price at 25K now.Actually not too bad for a refinished Colt if you want a bright shiny one.Some do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftrack Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Got a question for the experts. Lets say I bought an original colt back in the day. I scratched the gun and sent it back off to the factory to be repaired/refinished. Would this now be consider a non-original finish and reblued? Better yet, what if I had the same factory worker repair/refinish the gun at his house off hours? Same worker, same factory refinish, would it not be? Or sent it back to original manufacture but different worker?See where I am going with this. When does it become a crappy gun? Is it time, the worker who originally did the work, the manufacturer? The way I see it , Any colt sent back to the factory for repair or work wouldnt be considered original, even if it was done in the 20s or 30s. Heres one. What if I happen to convince Colt today to refinish my 21 thompson? Would it not come back with factory colt wood and finish? Or would someone argue that is not the same Colt manufacturing company? I believe they would disagree . I know if I had a Colt Thompson, I wouldnt want it to look like this; Edited September 19, 2019 by halftrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Simple answer, and obvious: the original finish can only be done once. Think "virginity". There is no replacement that is not a "refinish". The value of a refinish is in the eye of the beholder, but an original finish is a one time proposition, and once gone, can never be replaced. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftrack Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Simple answer, and obvious: the original finish can only be done once. Think "virginity". There is no replacement that is not a "refinish". The value of a refinish is in the eye of the beholder, but an original finish is a one time proposition, and once gone, can never be replaced. FWIWExactly my point! So if a Colt was sent back to the factory for repair or work done to it, it’s no different then the one listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 One point to remember with Colt Thompsons is Colt's Patent Fire Arms Manufacturing Company was a subcontractor to Auto-Ordnance Corporation - which did not have a factory in 1921/1922. I don't think returning a Thompson gun directly to Colt's was an option after the Thompson gun was introduced. Any return for any reason would have been to the Auto-Ordnance Corporation. The location or vendor where any warranty or requested work was performed would have been at the direction of Auto-Ordnance. And Colt's may or may not have been involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) It would be a refinished gun, and it would not look the same as an original finish as well. Most refinished guns are ruined guns IMO. If an all original Colt is scratched up, to me and many, thats much better than that same gun refinished. Do not ever refinish a Colt Thompson. EVER! Got a question for the experts. Lets say I bought an original colt back in the day. I scratched the gun and sent it back off to the factory to be repaired/refinished. Would this now be consider a non-original finish and reblued? Better yet, what if I had the same factory worker repair/refinish the gun at his house off hours? Same worker, same factory refinish, would it not be? Or sent it back to original manufacture but different worker?See where I am going with this. When does it become a crappy gun? Is it time, the worker who originally did the work, the manufacturer? The way I see it , Any colt sent back to the factory for repair or work wouldnt be considered original, even if it was done in the 20s or 30s. Heres one. What if I happen to convince Colt today to refinish my 21 thompson? Would it not come back with factory colt wood and finish? Or would someone argue that is not the same Colt manufacturing company? I believe they would disagree . I know if I had a Colt Thompson, I wouldnt want it to look like this; Edited September 20, 2019 by michaelkih Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) It would be a refinished gun, and it would not look the same as an original finish as well. Most refinished guns are ruined guns IMO. If an all original Colt is scratched up, to me and many, thats much better than that same gun refinished. Do not ever refinish a Colt Thompson. EVER! Got a question for the experts. Lets say I bought an original colt back in the day. I scratched the gun and sent it back off to the factory to be repaired/refinished. Would this now be consider a non-original finish and reblued? Better yet, what if I had the same factory worker repair/refinish the gun at his house off hours? Same worker, same factory refinish, would it not be? Or sent it back to original manufacture but different worker?See where I am going with this. When does it become a crappy gun? Is it time, the worker who originally did the work, the manufacturer? The way I see it , Any colt sent back to the factory for repair or work wouldnt be considered original, even if it was done in the 20s or 30s. Heres one. What if I happen to convince Colt today to refinish my 21 thompson? Would it not come back with factory colt wood and finish? Or would someone argue that is not the same Colt manufacturing company? I believe they would disagree . I know if I had a Colt Thompson, I wouldnt want it to look like this; Edited September 20, 2019 by michaelkih Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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