Saw this on APEX

[lamellarllc]

Saw this can someone identify it or know more about it? https://www.apexgunparts.com/thompson-compensator-unknown-gd.html

[Ron Mills]

I thought maybe it was for the old MGC replica 1921 but their comps weren't threaded. Strange. I guess Apex is baffled too, and Richard there is a sharp guy. Edited May 9, 2020 by Ron Mills

[TSMG28]

My guess is a Type I comp, which does indeed have a smaller diameter thread compared to the Types II-V and is unmarked. The ports look like they might be Type I, but I am not an expert on those comps. Hard to know without actually holding it and getting a true measure of the internal threads.

[APEXgunparts]

Those came out of Springfield Sporter's material.
They have commercial parts as well as military parts, plus parts from overseas.
I was thinking those muzzle brakes came off one of the many guns sold over the years that had the Thompson "look".
A nice part for someone with a "project" build of some type.

Richard

[Black River Militaria CII]

Here's some comp fun from J. Curtis Earl, the most notorious promoter of MG collecting of the sixties and early seventies, who made a comp version of his own which, if I recall, he labelled the Type 1. This was a slipover brake rather than a screw-on, slotted at the top for the front sight, which would stick up a bit over the top. No radius on the front end, just a square cut cylinder with the vent slots cut in the top. Not sure what held it on, but probably a set screw. Very clunky.

What is now known as the 1st model comp, with the smaller 5/8" threaded hole, Earl called, the 2nd model and then the three other models after that, making five altogether. The various Thompson dealers and enthusiasts during that period of the late sixties didn't seem to know what to make of this. Earl was just looking for an extra buck most likely and hoped that those with '21A's would buy his comp so they could have the AC look and feel when shooting. Just speculation.
The one pictured certainly looks like what is regarded as the 1st model used on the early guns.
FWIW

[gijive]

The one pictured certainly looks like what is regarded as the 1st model used on the early guns.

FWIW

All,

Yes, that is exactly what that is. A 1st Model compensator for the Colt Era guns, minus the front sight blade. Very hard to come by, not on a gun, and a "steal" at $29.95. Someone did very well.

[Ron Mills]

They jumped to $49.95 and only 2 left.

[Frank Iannamico]

I used to buy a lot of Thompson parts from the "back room" at Springfield Sporters when it was here in PA. They told me the parts came from South America, no other info.

They had a lot of parts that they never advertised or had them in their store seemed like they concentrated on old bolt-action rifles and parts.

 

I agree those look like Type 1 comps.

[Bridgeport28A1]

I had one in my cart shortly after the first post but I decided not to buy. There were three in stock at the time if anyone was curious how many there were.

[APEXgunparts]

 

The one pictured certainly looks like what is regarded as the 1st model used on the early guns.

FWIW

All,

Yes, that is exactly what that is. A 1st Model compensator for the Colt Era guns, minus the front sight blade. Very hard to come by, not on a gun, and a "steal" at $29.95. Someone did very well.

 

I guess I will find out for sure after the customers receive them.

If I never see them again they were those 1st model comp's.

If they get returned then they are something else.

I never had the chance to handle and examine these parts, only look them over in the 2 photo's my people took of one example.

 

Richard

[Tiz]

I used to buy a lot of Thompson parts from the "back room" at Springfield Sporters when it was here in PA. They told me the parts came from South America, no other info.

They had a lot of parts that they never advertised or had them in their store seemed like they concentrated on old bolt-action rifles and parts.

 

I agree those look like Type 1 comps.

I have very fond memories of Springfield Sporters as I live on a few miles away from their former PA location. I was not into full auto stuff back then and was unaware of the "back room". Thanks for the memories.

[gijive]

 

 

The one pictured certainly looks like what is regarded as the 1st model used on the early guns.

FWIW

All,

Yes, that is exactly what that is. A 1st Model compensator for the Colt Era guns, minus the front sight blade. Very hard to come by, not on a gun, and a "steal" at $29.95. Someone did very well.

 

I guess I will find out for sure after the customers receive them.

If I never see them again they were those 1st model comp's.

If they get returned then they are something else.

I never had the chance to handle and examine these parts, only look them over in the 2 photo's my people took of one example.

 

Richard

Richard,

 

I believe the first one pictured that started this thread (listed at #29.95) was the only 1st Model Compensator you had, unless you had several and by the time the listing was posted on the Board you only had one left. The second set of compensators listed at $49.95 are not the same. The slot arrangement and thickness of the slots on the top of the compensator is different. I believe those are Post-WWII 2nd Type Compensators. They are pictured in Tracie Hill's, "The Ultimate Thompson Book".

 

Here are some pictures of the differences in the 1st and 2nd Type Colt-Era Compensators.

 

 

1st Type Compensator on the left, 2nd Type on the right. Pay attention to the thickness of the slots and the slot arrangement, also the diameter and overall size of the Compensators.

 

 

1st Type 2nd type

 

 

I hope this helps clarify the differences in the two types.

Edited May 12, 2020 by gijive

[APEXgunparts]

Thank you for the pictures and the explanation.
The "unknown" compensator sold fairly fast, and so the advert has been disabled.
The ones you see on the front page now are another listing for 1928 type Cutts that are most likely commercial make, and priced accordingly.
I have more Thompson parts coming over from the receiving warehouse, mostly stripped lower frames and ???

Richard

[inertord]

Thank you for the pictures and the explanation.

The "unknown" compensator sold fairly fast, and so the advert has been disabled.

The ones you see on the front page now are another listing for 1928 type Cutts that are most likely commercial make, and priced accordingly.

I have more Thompson parts coming over from the receiving warehouse, mostly stripped lower frames and ???

 

Richard

Hey Richard,

 

On May 9th. I ordered and paid for the original listed compensator (Invoice 2000194411) along with receiving an order confirmation and pending shipping. Today I received an order cancellation and notice of refund, no explanation or call. In conjunction with the original website listing being removed, I am left wondering what shenanigans are going on here?

 

Frank

Edited May 11, 2020 by inertord

[APEXgunparts]

 

Thank you for the pictures and the explanation.

The "unknown" compensator sold fairly fast, and so the advert has been disabled.

The ones you see on the front page now are another listing for 1928 type Cutts that are most likely commercial make, and priced accordingly.

I have more Thompson parts coming over from the receiving warehouse, mostly stripped lower frames and ???

 

Richard

Hey Richard,

 

On May 9th. I ordered and paid for the original listed compensator (Invoice 2000194411) along with receiving an order confirmation and pending shipping. Today I received an order cancellation and notice of refund, no explanation or call. In conjunction with the original website listing being removed, I am left wondering what shenanigans are going on here?

 

Frank

 

I assume the one shown in the picture's on the web site was sold to another customer who placed the order earlier.

 

If your order was cancelled then there were no other parts matching the photo / description to fill additional orders.

The web site has "live" inventory, but a person has to conduct the counts and enter the numbers.

I have been finding inaccurate bin counts for some time, and have been working on a solution.

You are not the first order that we cancelled this week, and I am sure it won't be the last.

Why were you not called?

Sorry, you should have been notified, but the reality of a Monday, 354 orders to be serviced, phone messages and e-mails going back to last Friday to be answered, a shipment of racking landed in our yard and one pallet of upright supports was drenched in peanut butter.

We had to deal with that clean-up immediately.

So, Customer Service was shut down for over 2 hours so they could help with that mess and the clean-up with a power washer.

The square tube sections had goo 2-3 feet up inside them (see picture).

I was over at the receiving warehouse helping them with questions on product and checking on the hydraulic problem with our articulated forklift, while working thru the delivery problem at Stone over the phone.

I am just now setting at my PC, at home going thru the days correspondence.

 

I apologize for having to cancel your order.

 

Richard

 

 

[bug]

WOW. That gives a new meaning to "Shipping Peanuts". I'm sure there's an interesting story to that mess.

[GaryKeim]

You would think there would be inventory-control software tied to a website that would prevent someone from purchasing something that was already sold.

 

Ive never, ever, had a website purchase cancelled.

 

Im afraid that you have either been screwed or that this vendor is incompetent... you can guess what I think.

Edited May 12, 2020 by GaryKeim

[APEXgunparts]

WOW. That gives a new meaning to "Shipping Peanuts". I'm sure there's an interesting story to that mess.

 

We called the "dispatch" as did the driver and were both told different versions of how gallons of peanut butter ended up smeared on and flowing into our shipment.

No explanation about food products being shipped with industrial goods.

The driver had a coating of it on the trailer floor and was trying to figure out how to clean that up.

We had to hire a power wash outfit to come over and clean off the uprights.

 

Richard

 

[inertord]

You would think there would be inventory-control software tied to a website that would prevent someone from purchasing something that was already sold.

 

Ive never, ever, had a website purchase cancelled.

 

Im afraid that you have either been screwed or that this vendor is incompetent... you can guess what I think.

To answer PM’s from several board members, I am really not sure what happened here. Reading this thread in context, lead to suspicions being offered from several members that the seller possibly crawfished, removed any trace of the original add and cancelled accepted orders to hold out for a potential higher resale value? In any event, the final outcome for me is non delivery, customer service issues due in part to peanut butter and now waiting for a credit card refund on a canceled order! I will just leave it to the board members to decide if this company meets their individual standards for business dealings. No industry recommendations or future orders from me.

 

Thanks for all the contact and Stay safe,

 

Frank

[APEXgunparts]

You would think there would be inventory-control software tied to a website that would prevent someone from purchasing something that was already sold.

 

Ive never, ever, had a website purchase cancelled.

 

Im afraid that you have either been screwed or that this vendor is incompetent... you can guess what I think.

 

As I explained (above) the web site has live inventory.

Also keep in mind we are managing over 14K SKU's now, and not even 100 of them are NEW product that gets delivered to us by outside suppliers.

We do not have the luxury of bar code scanners and automated inventory management.

Everything gets counted by hand.

The people in the receiving warehouse have to manually sort and count (sometimes clean) the items that we sell.

The person that photographs the item also does the research and write up's, assigns the SKU and enters the count into the web site software.

There is a whole (documented) process for material moving from receiving til it ends up labelled on a tray on the shelf, ready to be sold.

Its is ALL done by PEOPLE, and I have to say that NONE are incompetent, I stand behind all my people.

Yes, we do make mistakes with data entry and sorts, it is a "surplus products" business, and everyone is learning as we go.

APEX has Customer Service people that advocate for our customers when something doesn't go as well as we intended.

Most of what we sell is used, and we don't always spot minor issues with items when they are handled, we have processes to help make it right for our customers.

In the case of being oversold, all we can do is refund the customer, and that actually costs us a fee from the credit card company.

We will never be a Brownell's, selling new manufactured items from an automated warehouse.

 

Richard

 

 

[APEXgunparts]

 

You would think there would be inventory-control software tied to a website that would prevent someone from purchasing something that was already sold.

 

Ive never, ever, had a website purchase cancelled.

 

Im afraid that you have either been screwed or that this vendor is incompetent... you can guess what I think.

To answer PM’s from several board members, I am really not sure what happened here. Reading this thread in context, lead to suspicions being offered from several members that the seller possibly crawfished, removed any trace of the original add and cancelled accepted orders to hold out for a potential higher resale value? In any event, the final outcome for me is non delivery, customer service issues due in part to peanut butter and now waiting for a credit card refund on a canceled order! I will just leave it to the board members to decide if this company meets their individual standards for business dealings. No industry recommendations or future orders from me.

 

Thanks for all the contact and Stay safe,

 

Frank

 

I called my CS Supervisor this AM.

She checked and did e-mail you when the credit card was refunded.

That e-mail may have been caught in your "spam" filter.

I asked that she contact you again about the item being oversold.

ALSO, I try and keep the front page "NEW Products" list from being cluttered with "out of stock" items.

So, I either set them to "search" only, or make them not new.

I do that every day.

The compensator listing in question is now "search" only, not visible if you just look at the web site.

Maybe the gent who placed his order earlier and purchased the one shown will post when his part is delivered?

It shipped yesterday.

 

Richard

 

[NFA amnesty]

 

 

You would think there would be inventory-control software tied to a website that would prevent someone from purchasing something that was already sold.

 

Ive never, ever, had a website purchase cancelled.

 

Im afraid that you have either been screwed or that this vendor is incompetent... you can guess what I think.

To answer PM’s from several board members, I am really not sure what happened here. Reading this thread in context, lead to suspicions being offered from several members that the seller possibly crawfished, removed any trace of the original add and cancelled accepted orders to hold out for a potential higher resale value? In any event, the final outcome for me is non delivery, customer service issues due in part to peanut butter and now waiting for a credit card refund on a canceled order! I will just leave it to the board members to decide if this company meets their individual standards for business dealings. No industry recommendations or future orders from me.

 

Thanks for all the contact and Stay safe,

 

Frank

 

I called my CS Supervisor this AM.

She checked and did e-mail you when the credit card was refunded.

That e-mail may have been caught in your "spam" filter.

I asked that she contact you again about the item being oversold.

ALSO, I try and keep the front page "NEW Products" list from being cluttered with "out of stock" items.

So, I either set them to "search" only, or make them not new.

I do that every day.

The compensator listing in question is now "search" only, not visible if you just look at the web site.

Maybe the gent who placed his order earlier and purchased the one shown will post when his part is delivered?

It shipped yesterday.

 

Richard

 

 

Feel bad for both parties but can understand what happened. I have bought several items from Richard and have always been pleased. With old and obsolete parts, it would require boots on the ground to inventory, clean, take photos, write descriptions, etc. On the other side, would be awesome to have a system in place that recognizes the amount in inventory and automate out of stock notification in real time. I have no idea if that is possible and if it is how much it would cost to upgrade existing system, etc. If updating the system would be cost prohibited or cause the prices to go up, would rather stick with the current system in my opinion. I would not be happy to have purchased an item in good faith and then find out I actually did not. But I hope and believe Richard will "make it right".

[halftrack]

You would think there would be inventory-control software tied to a website that would prevent someone from purchasing something that was already sold.

 

Ive never, ever, had a website purchase cancelled.

 

Im afraid that you have either been screwed or that this vendor is incompetent... you can guess what I think.

Happens all the time with small businesses who manually count their inventories. At the Front runs into this same problem when a worker miscounted the amount on hand from time to time. Then the customer bashes them online and demands the product that doesnt exist.

 

It sounds like someone has their feelings hurt because they werent quicker on the trigger to buy.

Edited May 14, 2020 by halftrack

[TSMG28]

 

 

You would think there would be inventory-control software tied to a website that would prevent someone from purchasing something that was already sold.

 

Ive never, ever, had a website purchase cancelled.

 

Im afraid that you have either been screwed or that this vendor is incompetent... you can guess what I think.

To answer PM’s from several board members, I am really not sure what happened here. Reading this thread in context, lead to suspicions being offered from several members that the seller possibly crawfished, removed any trace of the original add and cancelled accepted orders to hold out for a potential higher resale value? In any event, the final outcome for me is non delivery, customer service issues due in part to peanut butter and now waiting for a credit card refund on a canceled order! I will just leave it to the board members to decide if this company meets their individual standards for business dealings. No industry recommendations or future orders from me.

 

Thanks for all the contact and Stay safe,

 

Frank

 

I called my CS Supervisor this AM.

She checked and did e-mail you when the credit card was refunded.

That e-mail may have been caught in your "spam" filter.

I asked that she contact you again about the item being oversold.

ALSO, I try and keep the front page "NEW Products" list from being cluttered with "out of stock" items.

So, I either set them to "search" only, or make them not new.

I do that every day.

The compensator listing in question is now "search" only, not visible if you just look at the web site.

Maybe the gent who placed his order earlier and purchased the one shown will post when his part is delivered?

It shipped yesterday.

 

Richard

 

 

I placed my order for what I suspected was a Type I comp when the web site showed 3 remaining. It arrived late Thursday. It is indeed a Type I compensator that was probably removed from a Colt gun/barrel based on the correct pin having been drilled and the wear on the front of the comp. It appears to have seen some service, but is fairly clean on the inside. APEX may have cleaned it up before posting it for sale.

 

FWIW

[Colt Chopper]

I ordered a rare Colt 1921 part Friday, it arrived yesterday, looks great, Very pleased !!!!