tlturbo Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I had a mint Colt 21 that went through a house fire in 2000. We found it in the aftermath - no wood, pitted from water, etc. I transferred it to Class 2 guy who has had it for over 4 years and still doesn't have it done. No parts, can't find springs, etc. I'm tired of this and want my toy fixed and back. Any suggestions as to someone who can do this for me? Also concerned about heat damage to receiver. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I can make you the wood and somebody like PK can probably do the rest. 4 years is way to long to be without your thompson. Dan thompsonstocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMG28 Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 tlturbo, I agree with Deerslayer. Go with PK for the metal/mechanical work and Deerslayer for the wood. You may still have a bit of a wait as both of these gentlemen's services are in demand, but much less than you have already waited. Four years is WAY TOO LONG!! Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philasteen Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 TLTurbo, there is also a Colt parts kit for sale around these parts which would let you replace a lot of the damaged parts with originals, including the wood. Third for PK on the mechanical work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Thanks guys, But before I shell out a LOT of $$ to get it back original, I need to make sure that the receiver can be restored that well. If I am going to end up with a pitted, ratty looking shooter, I will just put other cheaper parts in it. I'm not sure just WHAT attempts to clean up the receiver this other guy has done. That's the first question I need to resolve. Thanks for the recommendations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM76 Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 As long as it has 1921 on it you will not lose, I seen one at the Creek ,that sold for $18,000 last April and the only thing that was original on it was the receiver,and it was bare metal. See Ya Tino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Well THAT is encouraging HA I have contacted a few people that e-mailed me and I think I have a "road plan". Thanks to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThompsonCrazy Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I would like to see some before photos to determine the extent of the damage(as painful as it may be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Actually it isn't the "1921" designation as much as the "COLT'S PATENT FIRE ARMS MFG. CO." and the serial number stamping that is necessary to insure its cache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I'm sorry to ask for help on this, but if someone would take the time to answer this for me, I'd greatly appreciate their time. Please feel free to e-mail me if you don't want to take up space on here with all this. I talked to the guy restoring my Colt 21 and he said he has accumulated most of the parts and that they are Colt parts. What I want to know is just what parts on a 1921 COLT are COLT specific and how are they marked or identified. I don't want to pay for a Colt such and such if it isn't really a Colt part. Sorry to be ignorant but I would really appreciate the help. Also, how do I find out if my ser# is listed in the book you all keep mentioning that shows history of guns by ser #. Many thanks to all. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron A Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Provide the number and someone will look up the number for you.. Many of us have Gordon's books. Its a suprise that you dont know the history of a "mint" 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I bought the gun in 1975 from a place in Atlanta GA. They supposedly got it from Raiford State Prison in Stark, FL. The buttstock was stamped FSP for Florida State Prison. Back 30 years ago, I don't think anyone had done much research on serial numbers and I never bothered looking any harder. Thanks - Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancer Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 The following numbers are listed to Union Correctional Institution Raiford, Fla. Is it one of these? 2183, 5112, 7595, 9527, 14717, 14806. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 YEP - THERE IT IS. That is cool. I wonder when they got it and from where or if it was an original purchase? Thanks a lot man. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron A Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 One would think if the receiver has not been overheated in the fire the parts other than the springs would be in ok. It is easy to tell if the bolt is Colt as well as most of the other main parts, the springs are something else, but over the years many springs have been replaced anyway. It looks like you have a good idea where the gun started out - the serial number may add some additional knowledge. There was research done 30 years ago and your gun might be listed in Cox's book, was well as Gordon's book. Did you purchase the gun from Cox? He called his company "Law Enforcement Ordnance Company" and he was located in Atlanta GA. Many of us have the Cox price lists from that period and his list show numbers and in some cases where the guns came from. Best of luck in getting your gun restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 God, I used to have one of those old "Law Enforcement Ordnance Company" catalogs and used to drool over the MG's in there years ago...... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Sergeant Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Yep, I had one too; complete with drool !! Haven't seen it in about 25yrs but I'm still looking for it..................... Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 That PLUS the catalog of the guy in Arizona - Was his name J Curtis Earl or something like that? I'd tell you what I paid for that 21 Colt back in 76 but you would suffer severe heart palpatations or worse. But if you had the catalog, you know what the prices were. If we'd only known, right? I have wanted a MG42 since forever but will probably never get one (where did I put that lottery ticket?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Hey,... I`ve got a BAR-A2 thats got "'Law Enforcement Ordnance Company" inscribed on the receiver next to the trigger assy ...does your 21 have that also? I`m wondering why they would write the name of the company on a firearm that they didn`t actually produce.... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Nope - Maybe there was a legit company that made the BAR called that? Got me. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONHART Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Sounds like a lot of BS to me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron A Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 The price sheet from Cox dated Oct, 25 1974 lists several 1921's priced from $975.00 to $2100. for mint a guns. At the same time he offered a local PD $650.00 for a 1921 and 1928, "C" drum and 2ea Colt numbered drums and one case in outstanding condition. I later obtained the 21, drums and case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlturbo Posted March 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I think I bought mine in late 1975 because I was getting married in Feb 76 and my soon to be wife about crapped when she found out I paid (trying to remember exactly) about 2400 for the gun and 100 for a 50 drum. I might be off a hundred one way or another on the gun. I use to drool over the MGM (I think) movie guns that Earl had in his catalog. Now my toy is a McBros .50 BMG single shot target rifle. Reloading for that is a trip. 214 grains of powder behind a 850 gr turned bronze projectile. It gets as much attention at the range as the Tommy did. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper28 Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Roger Cox was the owner of Law Enforcement Ordance Company and it was located in Athens GA not Altanta. I read something some where about him inscribing the name of the company on the BAR's but I can't remember why he did it. Can anyone shed any light on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 because roger imported alot of stuff and had to have the name stamped on it.ar-10's bar's, mp-40's..spanish star subgun's.and some beretta's.and a few other's.....he was in the merril lynch building in athen's...across from the park with the civil war double barrel cannon...neat item.s........ that take's me back 30 year's..good time's.........take care,ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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