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#1 arch stanton

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:20 AM

WTK resale value for Merle 22 conversion

This kit is in the wood case with parts for the M1 and 28 the barrel was relieved by PK with a trail so the barrel slides right by the ejector has a threaded adapter as well 

Two drum mags black dog and eight black dog mags 

 

The kit is complete bought new from Glenn W

 

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#2 ppgcowboy

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:54 AM

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:54 AM

I am interested if you decide to sell it. I am assuming it will work in a 21.

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 11:21 AM

At this point probably priceless.  Should be able to get at least what you paid for it now.  I am glad I have one and in hind sight wish I got a spare barrel, now I am afraid of wearing the one I have out or having something happen to it.  I do know someone that would be interested in the kit if you decide to sell it as well, they are a member here too.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 11:31 AM

Thats why I am looking for a resale price I dont remember what I paid for it as I bought two at the same time
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 02:54 PM

I don't remember what I paid for mine either, but would also like to know a ball park figure of what one is worth as well. 


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#7 benedw60

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 03:11 PM

Ciener still is selling his kits for 499 (in stock)
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 05:26 PM

You cant base anything off Ceiner junk I think these kits were at least double that if not over $1k
I figured some one would remember what they paid
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 05:54 PM

I have an early Blackdog/Merle Kit in a black Delrin box with machined slots for the various parts, I seem to remember it was in the $500 ballpark range. I talked to Merle at a TATA Show and Shoot. I sent it to Merle to have his upgrades done...a few thousands off the bolt bottom, modification to allow barrel installation without ejector removal and upgrade to his heavy duty ejector. Merle also modified the follower in the Blackdog LLC magazines. Those modifications were another $100 or so. Box magazines and drum magazines Blackdog LLC and puma drums were all extra money. Merle spines on his drum conversion are absolutely the best.

Someone could call Merle and ask what his last .22 kit price. I am glad I got mine when I did and it not for sale.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 06:10 PM

I want to say it was around $600 from BlackDog when I bought mine, but same I do not recall and bought a ton of mags at the same time.

Regardless your pricing is likely more than that and certainly more than an off the shelf Ciener which you may or may not ever receive. I want to say one sold for maybe $800 some time back?

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 06:44 PM

FWIW, it is my understanding that Mr. Ciener himself is retired and no longer is directly involved in the day to day operations of the company that he founded.  I've bought M16 .22LR conversion related items from the JAC company a couple times in the last year and received the items promptly.

 

MHO, YMMV, etc.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:47 PM

Ciener  told me in December at the SAR show that he was done with 22 conversions and his machinery is basically wore out. i bought a 22 kit from Merle receipt dated Oct. 2013 for $520 with two mags. 


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:47 PM

Thats why I am looking for a resale price I dont remember what I paid for it as I bought two at the same time

 

Divide by 2?


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:01 PM

There is a novel idea if I remembered the cost is the two kits I would not even of posted this thread

Thanks

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:03 PM

PK tuned mine and set it up to use steel 30 round Bingham magazines.  It has always run like a top.  I can get 1200 - 1500 rounds fired before I need to clean anything.

 

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I keep five magazines in an original canvas Pederson Device magazine carrier.  It's a perfect fit.

 

 


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:16 PM

The value of the kit - Priceless! The best add on I could every buy for my Thompson. Just looked mine up, I paid Merle $675 shipped in 2011. My kit was in the black Delrin box, six magazine (2 plus four extra) and I had the slot milled in so I don't need to remove the extractor. It came with all the parts for both the 28 and M-1 shooting. Can't remember if this was an extra cost. (Find my invoice). So I would say the kit with 2 mags, and the milled slot should be valued at a starting price of $600, and would still be fair at $750 shipped, depending on the number of mags. I think I have ten mags now.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:25 PM

I am interested if you decide to sell it. I am assuming it will work in a 21.

Brad

With the .45 bolt and recoil spring assemblies removed, the 21 and 28 are precisely identical.  

So, yes, the kits work perfectly in both. 

Also works fine in the M1, if you bought the complete kit, with the M1 cocking knob and muzzle nut.

 

Biggest difference in firing:

The Merle kits have a steel plate on the aluminum bolt bottom to slow the ROF to about normal .45 speed.

This also means the sear notch will hold up about forever (which is also approximately how long a .22RF barrel will last).

EDIT:  See post no. 20 below.  Not all sear notches...

The jac bolts don't have this plate, and fire at a much higher rate, often over 1000 RPM.

Merle's told me his first venture into .22 conversions actually started with just adding the plates to jac bolts.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:32 PM

The value of the kit - Priceless! The best add on I could every buy for my Thompson. Just looked mine up, I paid Merle $675 shipped in 2011. My kit was in the black Delrin box, six magazine (2 plus four extra) and I had the slot milled in so I don't need to remove the extractor. It came with all the parts for both the 28 and M-1 shooting. Can't remember if this was an extra cost. (Find my invoice). So I would say the kit with 2 mags, and the milled slot should be valued at a starting price of $600, and would still be fair at $750 shipped, depending on the number of mags. I think I have ten mags now.

If you're offering to sell yours right now, with the ten mags, for $750 shipped, that sounds like a fine estimate.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:43 PM

I can't remember either, but he did the mod for me. Have the kit for the M1 and 1928 and the extended adapters for a can.
Will keep my kit until the end of times :-)

 

 

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:01 PM

Hi Joe,

 

I still have the letter I sent to Merle back in 2012 when he was making the kits with the oak lower box, clear plastic lid.  These kits are later than the black plastic lower box kits.  I bought 3 kits w/20 additional magazines and an M1 supressor adapter (22RF).  The kits were clearanced for the 45 ejector (or mostly).  The total w/shipping came to $2445.  My guess with the drum mags you paid North of $800 for your kit.

 

Good luck,

 

Grasshopper

 

PS.  FWIW, I've had to re-cut the sear surfaces on 2 of my kits.  One of the kits needed it twice.  I think I know why.

 

 I've found it best to match the ammo with the recoil spring so the bolt just moves behind the sear surface.  If you use a lighter spring on hotter ammo, the bolt seems to recoil a greater distance past the sear causing the bolt to crash into the sear on the forward stroke.  IIRC, the sear surface that Merle used was 4140 that I'm guessing was about 30Rc.  I am going to re-harden my bolt plates next time the sear surface fails as the 4140 can be brought up to around 40Rc.

 

PS.  JAC no longer has any of the Thompson 22 kits in stock.  I did try to order a kit and he wrote me a very nice letter indicating he no longer had any of those kits available.  If you look at his web site he did update his price list with "o/s" or out of stock.


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