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#1 rpbcps

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:19 AM

After several weeks away, I finally got home to find a number of packages awaiting my return.

 

In one package, I discovered a catalog dated Sept. 1921, from the St. Louis 'The Sporting Goods Dealer', which contains two AOC adverts for the Thompson gun.

 

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The 2nd advert provides more details on the gun, and also has a photo of a man holding a Thompson with a Drum magazine, which attracted my attention. The rear sight on the TSMG appears not to be a regular Lyman site and there is also an attachment on the barrel, which I think be may designed to attach a sling.

 

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#2 huggytree

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:48 AM

How I would love to go into a hardware store and buy a Thompson off shelf for $200 with no questions asked
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Posted 29 June 2019 - 12:17 PM

Caption says Thompson submachine gun ready for action...not holding it like that!!!

Edited by Petroleum 1, 29 June 2019 - 12:18 PM.

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#4 villafuego

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 10:35 AM

Looks like 1919 Serial # 17

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 11:54 PM

I have seen a pic of that sling attachment somewhere else recently, but I dont remember where. Im wondering if the pic is of one of the Model of 1919 guns, perhaps taken in the Cleveland area.

I agree that the drawing in the first ad definitely looks like Model of 1919 serial no. 17, except for the rear sight.

Very interesting ads!
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Posted 01 July 2019 - 02:15 AM

Thanks for the replies to my post.

 

Last year I bought a couple of ads pulled from 1921 issues of ‘Arms and the Man’ and the TSMGs in those, admittedly one is only a line drawing, which appear to have another version of the rear sight.

 

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Both those ads are now framed and hang on the wall next to a framed 'Providence Journal' from June 1922, which has an article on Marcellus Thompson being accused of arms shipments to the Irish and a report on a Thompson being used in the Clones attack in Ireland. A member on the board sold me the Providence Journal for a very good price back in 2014, indeed it cost me more to frame the newspaper than to buy it, but as it was crumbling at the edges through age, to preserve it, I decided to have it framed. 

 

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 05:50 AM

The line drawing and the photo are both showing M1919s. However, the photographed TSMG has

what appears to be a very long and thin barrel. This seems to be another image of Mitchell Hedges (Crystal Skull Fame)

shooting a M1919. Hedges led a life like Indiana Jones dreamed of .

Tracie

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#8 Ron Mills

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 10:21 AM

That is the oddest thumb position on holding a Thompson that I've ever seen.  Very different.  

Thanks for all the info on this one!


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 11:34 AM


Thanks for the replies to my post.
 
Last year I bought a couple of ads pulled from 1921 issues of Arms and the Man and the TSMGs in those, 

admittedly one is only a line drawing,

which appear to have another version of the rear sight.
 
Jan 21 'Arms and the Man' Magazine.JPG  1921 'Arms and the Man' Magazine.JPG
 
Both those ads are now framed and hang on the wall next to a framed 'Providence Journal' from June 1922, which has an article on Marcellus Thompson being accused of arms shipments to the Irish and a report on a Thompson being used in the Clones attack in Ireland. A member on the board sold me the Providence Journal for a very good price back in 2014, indeed it cost me more to frame the newspaper than to buy it, but as it was crumbling at the edges through age, to preserve it, I decided to have it framed. 
 
Providence Journal Headline.JPG   Providence Journal Clones article.JPG
 
Stay safe
 
Richard

Amazing! Reading the articles on the page shows me not much has changed over the years in regards to politics and and world affairs.
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Posted 01 July 2019 - 11:35 AM

Would love to know the length of that longer barrel.
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Posted 01 July 2019 - 01:17 PM

The line drawing and the photo are both showing M1919s. However, the photographed TSMG has

what appears to be a very long and thin barrel. This seems to be another image of Mitchell Hedges (Crystal Skull Fame)

shooting a M1919. Hedges led a life like Indiana Jones dreamed of .

Tracie

Tracie,

Thank you for your reply, with the Mitchell Hedges attachments, two more articles to look for now.

 

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Richard


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Posted 02 July 2019 - 11:36 PM

There appear to be two different guns shown in the photos on the scanned page in Post #7, and neither are a standard Model of 1921, nor a Model of 1919 variant. The gun in the main photo being shot by Hedges appears to have a barrel longer than the 10.5" one normally seen on the Model 1921, but it is not of a heavy profile like that of the Model 1923. Speaking of the Model 1923, the gun has a Model 1923 buttstock equipped, which has much less drop and is fitted with an M1903 butt sling swivel. Another sling swivel is fitted to a band in a machined recess on the barrel, or possibly just a thin steel band that is difficult to discern. The disassembled gun in the inset photo by comparison has what looks like a standard-length 10.5" barrel, but fitted with a device for mounting some kind of attachment, maybe a bipod or possibly a proprietary bayonet. It too has a Model 1923 buttstock.


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#13 rpbcps

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Posted 05 July 2019 - 03:33 AM

There appear to be two different guns shown in the photos on the scanned page in Post #7, and neither are a standard Model of 1921, nor a Model of 1919 variant. The gun in the main photo being shot by Hedges appears to have a barrel longer than the 10.5" one normally seen on the Model 1921, but it is not of a heavy profile like that of the Model 1923. Speaking of the Model 1923, the gun has a Model 1923 buttstock equipped, which has much less drop and is fitted with an M1903 butt sling swivel. Another sling swivel is fitted to a band in a machined recess on the barrel, or possibly just a thin steel band that is difficult to discern. The disassembled gun in the inset photo by comparison has what looks like a standard-length 10.5" barrel, but fitted with a device for mounting some kind of attachment, maybe a bipod or possibly a proprietary bayonet. It too has a Model 1923 buttstock.

 

Big Al,

Good points, but I note the article from the Illustrated London news is dated July 1921, (in the same post which appears to be from the same photoshoot as the undated Mid Week Pictorial), which is approx. 5 months into the production of the Model of 1921's.

 

I would have thought with the award to Colt for the manufacture of 15,000 Model of 1921's, that AOC would have thought they had perfected the development of their submachine gun design, and would therefore be marketing the 'standard model' coming off the assembly lines at that stage.

 

As, I understand it, maybe incorrectly, it was only due to lagging sales of the Model of 1921's, that AOC began to look at modifications of the original Model, in an attempt to market the static stock they had. 

 

Stay safe

Richard


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 10:45 AM

The complete page from the Illustrated London News, July 16, 1921.

 

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 03:18 PM

Thanks for posting and sharing.  I love to see period ads for guns.  I am new to the Thompson world but have 30 year old passion for Colt M1911s and part of this involves period ads.


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 04:25 PM

Same article & photo from the Irish 'Cork Examiner', which I am advised was dated the 30th Dec.1920, I don't have the original, unfortunately

 

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 08:50 AM

"Making 47 hits out of 50 shots in two seconds at 250 yards..." What was he shooting at, a barn?


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:10 AM

"Making 47 hits out of 50 shots in two seconds at 250 yards..." What was he shooting at, a barn?

 

I think they were 'aiming' at good publicity to sell their product


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 11:52 PM

This could then mean, Richard, that the stock design we know of as being of the M1923 actually came about during the initial design experiments to find the final shape of the Model 1921.


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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:13 AM

This could then mean, Richard, that the stock design we know of as being of the M1923 actually came about during the initial design experiments to find the final shape of the Model 1921.

Big Al,

Indeed, maybe that was the case. Like a lot of Thompson history, I don't think we will ever know for sure, but we can always speculate at the time line of the unrecorded events in the TSMG development, the fun of the hobby.

 

Stay safe

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Edited by rpbcps, 15 July 2019 - 02:14 AM.

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