Sandman1957 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) There have been several posts recently regarding COLT Parts and values. Want to try and circle the wagons a bit.From what I have seen COLT Parts do not normally come up often and when they do they don't stay around long. I have as complete of a set as I have seen, got it from COLT Chopper. He got it from the PD. For aguments sake, the complete parts kit should be worth around 10 -12K depending on who wants it.I have never really seen how adding up the parts get to this number. Let's take a stab at it. One recent "good" comment I saw was when you have the entire parts kit, then the provenence of the barrel isn't in dispute. What would be the price range for these parts individually" 1- Rear stock complete with all metal1a -- buttplate with screws (no wood)1b -- Stock locking assembly complete with screws (no wood) 2 - Rear pistol grip with screw 3 - Vertical foregrip with screw 4 - Barrel with ring sight and cross pin 5 -1921 COLT Actuator (keyhole ears light actuator) 6 - COLT BOLT complete 7 - Colt unmarked blish lock 8 - 1921 two piece spring / buffer guide with spring 9 - Entire lower assembly with wood grip 10 - stripped lower assembly This is for establishing bookends of COLT values as of DEC 2017. My parts kit isn't for sale (at this time). CheersSandman1957 Edited December 9, 2017 by Sandman1957 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedw60 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 To piggyback on the post: what are the values of commerical savage trigger frame parts that are all stamped with a small s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 To piggyback on the post: what are the values of commerical savage trigger frame parts that are all stamped with a small s.Are they unblued part? Sear, sear lever, rocker, disconnector and trip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 To piggyback on the post: what are the values of commerical savage trigger frame parts that are all stamped with a small s.Are they unblued part? Sear, sear lever, rocker, disconnector and trip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1957 Posted December 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Yes the COLT Parts set is complete and correct. I just did not want to add a ton of photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 i bought a milled ejector NOS for $110 a year ago...so i can tell you what its worth...it was sitting on a website on not from GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedw60 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 The parts are blued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) I dont see enough Colt parts to know the market, so Ill approach it this way, If my Colt 1921 was missing a part or broke a part, what do I think I would be willing to pay? Id be guessing at value, but if I needed it and saw it on a gun show table Id probably pay it.1- Rear stock complete with all metal1a -- buttplate with screws (no wood)1b -- Stock locking assembly complete with screws (no wood)$1000 2 - Rear pistol grip with screw$350 3 - Vertical foregrip with screw$500 4 - Barrel with ring sight and cross pin$2500 5 -1921 COLT Actuator (keyhole ears light actuator)$1800 6 - COLT BOLT complete$650 7 - Colt unmarked blish lock$200 8 - 1921 two piece spring / buffer guide with spring$750 9 - Entire lower assembly with wood grip$2500 10 - stripped lower assembly$1500 Seems pretty close to $10,000. However, that assumes finding a buyer that needs each part. I might buy those parts at 25%-50% if I saw them and just wanted a spare. I cant see buying a complete kit to make a dummy or sample, so I would only buy a kit if It was cheaper than the sum of the parts.(or I had buy it to get the part I needed) Edited December 9, 2017 by wwiifirearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Steve, I will gladly give you your money back anytime. I miss those kits. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedw60 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Are savage parts worth more then any other manufacturer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 early S1928 parts are probably more rare than colt parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedw60 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 So what a set of s1928 parts be worth, every part in the trigger frame minus the trigger frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Yes the COLT Parts set is complete and correct. I just did not want to add a ton of photos. Sandman1957, I wasn't questioning your parts. I was responding to benedw60 who was asking about Savage Commercial grip frame parts. He responded that the parts are blued, so I don't believe they are Savage Commercial Thompson parts. benedw60, To answer your question, they wouldn't be much more than the price for any WWII era grip frame internal parts. My guess is $125.00 dollars or so, for all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just because some internal Thompson parts are manufactured by Savage Arms and marked with an "S" does not mean the part came from a Savage Commercial Thompson. It just means the part is an early Savage Arms manufactured part. The reason you do not see complete parts kits from Savage Commercial Thompsons is because all of these commercially sold Savage Arms Thompson guns were most likely registered with the Internal Revenue Service upon sale and delivery. A registration process was put in place after the passage of the 1934 National Firearms Act. Colt's Thompsons were introduced to the marketplace in 1921; a number of these Colt's guns were never registered. Hence, the destruction of the receiver and availability of complete part sets. Very unfortunate, but true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedw60 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Im a newbie when it comes to thompsons, but ive been studying them as much as i can for the past year. Is there anyway to tell a difference between early savage and commerical savage Ive been trying to read tracie hills book, but its just to overwhelming with information. So now im reading american thunder with is more higher level view of thompsons and allows to to understand thompsons better. A appreciate all the help and info on the forum, hopefully one i will become a jedi master of thompson information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Sandman,Thanks or staring this thread.I hoped to see some results of actual selling prices for the Colt parts mentioned. Not speculation from those of us who have never bought them. To establish a market price - speculation ain't where it is at. Please post if you have any data - it would really help level set the market. And please let's not take this into a dissertation about supply and demand - I know what that is too.Thanks in advance for your input,Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 There is no "Market" it is whatever somebody needs and willing to pay at any given time..W/O taking up pages. You get three collectors looking for some same parts they see them for sale and bid them up the top guy wins, Does it means because the clown circus was bidding and the head clown bid $2500 for a bolt does it make it so? And the next highest guy was only willing to go $1700 And the third clown wanted only to pay $700 and figured he might get it if nobody else bid or needed that item at the time. I have sold many items over the years some jumped on it right away some I had five customers. And the first guy normally got it. And only a few times I had guys say well you wanted $2000 would you take $2200 to bump the other deal.All that told me is I priced it maybe too cheap {maybe} Maybe not depends how many I had flocking to buy it. And sometimes two interested parties and the first guy got it. And later on somebody seeing a old ad and asking hey did you sell the Johnson rod with spring kit from 1912 in box. Some guys go nuts over parts. It is a power thing they feel they have extras and you have none. They would say I have enough parts to build three guns. And I would say that's good I already have ten guns. so don't need parts to build three more. If a person has only one Thompson I can see getting something you think you might need. But going hog crazy to have a whole kit WHY please explain. Since the minute you remove some parts from it you no longer have the complete kit , And back to the some of its parts.I can see somebody spending the extra cash on mags, pouches, drums. Manuals, slings, cases, And other items maybe even more ammo. So the MARKET is. what somebody really wants bad at any given time. That is why you see so many price lists out of date six months after they print them out and values for sure. Heck most value books get outdated on the first few auction lists. Or shop JACK THE DOG he sells more guns on the photos BECAUSE people like pics' Darn this post got away from me.Anyhow my advice buy whatever you want. But don't expect some MARKET Price to magically appear. First how many want complete parts kits? and how many can afford the ten grand or more somebody might want for one. Heck I hate looking sometimes at a bunch of back up Beta drums I bought for what The Apocalypse. a few grand sitting in a box collecting dust... a little increase or maybe not. Have fun with the History, And enjoy what you have.Colt21A Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Ron,I agree 100%.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedw60 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Thank you for the insight, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt going to sell off what i had on gunbroker too cheap. I get demilled thompsons from time to time. I mean no wood, torched cut and basiclly a just a lump of mud before i clean them. Up. Which is great because mud is a perfect insulatator so much of the internal trigger frame parts are in good condition. I will use robert rtg prices as a rough starting point and see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Hey I did not mean to bust any bodies balls in any of my posts also including this one, I guess in my Second life now I look at more things differently, Since I know all of the stuff we like and we achieve or have and lost can be gone in a mere instant. It was like when I went to SAR show one year and noticed two good friends who I talked to not that many months ago. had not attended and later found out why.So we enjoy this stuff we call collecting. the friendships it brings to some and others we probably would have nothing else in common with but for the History and the Thompson'sand of course the Chase of it all. I DON'T SHARE MY THOUGHTS BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL CHANGE THE MINDS OF PEOPLE WHO THINK DIFFERENTLY. I SHARE MY THOUGHTS TO SHOW THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY THINK LIKE ME THAT THEY'RE NOT ALONE. We all enjoy the stuff. And when the enjoyment seems to leave and becomes really hard work. It is time to move on to something else.....And whatever that might be We hope it will have the same camaraderie As what we left behind. Colt 21A Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 FWIW, some reference prices from a Strumgewehr.com ad with a posting date of 07/04/2008. Colt Thompson Model 1921 AC "Parts Set" all parts in very nice condition.Stock set - complete (buttock, pistol grip & vertical foregrip with all metal and screws) $3000Barrel, 21 AC (with early type compensator w/no logo) $2850Trigger Frame - complete (late markings for Safety & Fire select) $3000Trigger Frame - stripped $2000.00Trigger frame internal parts and mag release $1000.00Actuator - flat type $950Bolt - complete $750Bolt - stripped $500Blish H- piece $150Pilot/buffer & recoil spring $200Blish internal oiler w/felt $100Colt flat ejector $150Foregrip mount $150Lyman Rear ladder sight $500 Seller: Gordon Herigstad, San Pedro, CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1957 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) Thank you Sir, we are two pages into this and finally we have some good reference points. Jack, 11317 as you know is backed up by your parts kit. It now sports that wood, except at the range, where a WWII rear stock goes onto it. Thompsonbarrels supplied the shooter barrel. Unless I find complete COLT wood and a 1928 COLT threaded for comp original barrel (Navy overstamp), then your Kit is being used. If I find all that stuff, then you will get first refusal if and when I move it. You are always welcome to come and visit. We'll go to the USMC Museum and enjoy a great day. Still hoping others will provide what they have either paid for parts or what they would pay for parts. Interesting silence on the topic of COLT Parts... Edited December 13, 2017 by Sandman1957 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melvin Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Going through some old files and found this 1921 Thompson Parts List ( All Colt Manufacture ) . I figured I would add it to the post. Also found a price list for over 40 Colts . Price range $1250 for a very good 1921 A or $1650 for a excellent plus 1921 A or an 1921 AC . Also C drums at $350 and Spare Parts Kits at $200 . Neat stuff from years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1957 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Any guesstimate on a date time stamp on that letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melvin Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Sandman,The parts price list has no date. But the list of guns and other accessories listed in the same price range on another sheet is dated from 1974 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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