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#21 dregnery

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:36 AM

 Your seller is known for his poor pictures and skipping details on condition...the US grinding is correct for the gun....ive seen many that look over done...
 
the important thing to me is it may be original finish as there is no finish in that grind mark....so theres a plus
 
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I bought an Uzi from Spiwak several years ago after a recommendation from Tom Bowers site. I requested better pictures but got an excuse that his camera did not take good pictures. He did tell me that I could return the gun if I wasn’t happy. Obviously, I’m working backwards-acquiring the gun first and researching afterwards.

Unfortunately, his reputation appears to be tarnishing.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:07 AM

Spiwak is known for his terrible pictures. However, that seems to work for his business model. The supply of machine guns registered for civilian ownership is finite so potential buyers with the bug have a limited selection at any one time without a lot of patience. Given today's prices, most informed buyers would go see the product if they see something that is of interest at a reasonable price. All that said, you acquired a known Thompson variation that will make a great shooter Thompson. Shooting your AOB 1928AC should not devalue it in the least. Knowing the police department that purchased your 1928AC is also a plus. When you obtain possession, I would suggest you file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the BATF to learn when your Thompson was originally sold. Frank's book has an unredacted copy of an original IRS Form 5 for a 1928AC on Page 150. BATF will only provide a redacted copy but this is the start of compiling the provenance for your 1928AC. During your wait you can read Frank's book and research the Board about FOIA requests. 

 

Here is the link to join TATA and/or TCA. Both organizations hold shows & shoots in Ohio every year. Usually around the first of August (TATA) and the middle of September (TCA). Both organizations are great and the events are a lot of fun. Tracie Hill's collection is on display at the TATA Show. 

 

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:53 AM

why does it have an X after the serial #?

 

does this mean its  post war parts gun?

 

 

 

to the owner--does the barrel line match up?


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:16 AM

why does it have an X after the serial #?

 

does this mean its  post war parts gun?

 

 

 

to the owner--does the barrel line match up?

Huggy,

 

Yes, it is one of the Post WWII guns sold by Maguire Industries to law enforcement.  Many have the X after the serial number on both the receiver and the grip frame.  Some of these guns don't have the X stamped on them, but virtually all have the US markings ground off, some have the 1 in A1 ground off with a C stamped in place of the 1.  Depending on when they were sold, none of them seem to have consistent markings.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:19 AM

thats what i thought the X meant.....the guns taken off the line during the war for police would still have the US ground off, but NOT the X....the X=Maguire

 

i almost bought a police AC at one point with a ground off US mark, but it did not have the X on it

 

this explains why he has newer 1928 sights and the older style barrel.....most of the AC's ive seen have the smooth barrel when they have the simple/newer rear sight...

 

 

do mcguire police guns hold the same value as non/mcguire- WW2 era 1928's?


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:41 PM

.....the guns taken off the line during the war for police​...

 

None of the AOB variation 1928AC Thompson guns are known to have been commercially sold while the Model of 1928A1 Thompson gun was in production. All documented sales occurred during the M1 or M1A1 production or after production ended for all Thompson guns - January/February 1944. These are parts guns - from the original manufacturer. While many have similar parts and markings, exceptions are the rule with this variation.  

 

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 01:44 PM

Wasnt there lots of 1928s in the field at that time why not sell those parts as spares since the 1928 line was shut down and pull some M1s off the line for police sales and remark those??
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:05 PM

Wasnt there lots of 1928s in the field at that time why not sell those parts as spares since the 1928 line was shut down and pull some M1s off the line for police sales and remark those??

Vinny,

 

No M1 or M1A1 Thompsons were "pulled off the line" for police sales during WWII.  All M1/M1A1 production was going to the military.   M1 production ended in 1944, the war was still in effect.  Many guns were re-imported to the US after WWII and the US Government had programs for Law enforcement during the 1950's, but no M1 guns were sold commercially during WWII.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:11 AM


Wasnt there lots of 1928s in the field at that time why not sell those parts as spares since the 1928 line was shut down and pull some M1s off the line for police sales and remark those??

Vinny,
 
No M1 or M1A1 Thompsons were "pulled off the line" for police sales during WWII.  All M1/M1A1 production was going to the military.   M1 production ended in 1944, the war was still in effect.  Many guns were re-imported to the US after WWII and the US Government had programs for Law enforcement during the 1950's, but no M1 guns were sold commercially during WWII.
Yup i guess the war effort is primary...thx Vinny
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:15 PM

Since I started this thread many months ago, I thought I would read through it again now that I have my AOB 1928 AC. If any of you are still interested in additional pictures or further information, please let me know.  Now that I have it in my possession it will be much easier.

 

Although whoever groud off the "US" marking did a poor job,  overall I'm pleased with the gun.  I ran a few mags through it at my gun club yesterday without any issues - also made a kid's day letting him shoot it.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:02 PM

   Congrats, you have a great gun.  Yes more photos, we love them.  When you have questions this is the best place for them.  Good folks here.  Great information.  Looks like you have a nice L-Drum and canvas drum case as well.  What marking are on them?  See the pinned references as a guide as you go thru them.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:32 PM

Since I started this thread many months ago, I thought I would read through it again now that I have my AOB 1928 AC. If any of you are still interested in additional pictures or further information, please let me know.  Now that I have it in my possession it will be much easier.
 
Although whoever groud off the "US" marking did a poor job,  overall I'm pleased with the gun.  I ran a few mags through it at my gun club yesterday without any issues - also made a kid's day letting him shoot it.

Just curious...you posted in Jan you bought this gun did you get your stamp already??
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:16 AM

I posted in January but my ATF check was processed on 19 October 2017, my application was approved 6 May, which interestingly enough was a Sunday, so just shy of 7 months.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:23 AM


I posted in January but my ATF check was processed on 19 October 2017, my application was approved 6 May, which interestingly enough was a Sunday, so just shy of 7 months.


Ok thats about right thx for the info Im waiting on a Nov stamp.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:01 AM

Me too... A previous F4 transfer on 10/18 cleared 4/18, exactly 6 months. I got excited and called this past Monday about a transfer that went pending 12/6, expecting to be close now.... still pending. I expected it to be completed around 6/6, but she said "they are taking 8 months now". Huh? Are they trying to slow down the process? Anyone else heard this?

 

Searching the NFAtracker.com website under transfer tracking with just Form4 individuals listed shows them to be reported around 180 days +/- a few.

 

Sorry for the hijacking of the thread....


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 05:13 PM

I have 2 stamps in dec both 12/19. The atf person told me mailing time on the stamp could be 30days my oct stamp came in 10 days so who knows if its 8 months but my oct stamp was one week short of 7 so it could be getting longer.

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