help from anyone who has seen or owns a lanchester
Posted 09 February 2019 - 12:37 PM
Posted 09 February 2019 - 12:54 PM
It is not “normal” but another one of the multitude of anomalies in prodcution manufacture of any product.
You can ask the current registrant to call ATF/NFA, explain that he wants to transfer the MG as C+R and see if they will divulge to him the date of original registration. Sometimes ATF will do this for the registrant without a letter.
If the registrant can’t verify that it is original, and the anomaly bothers you, don’t buy the gun. FWIW
Posted 09 February 2019 - 01:18 PM
i was thinking of that also. pre 68 why wouldnt you get a dewat for $50
when did people start doing rewelds
Thanks for your opinion bob. I was hoping youd respond
Edited by huggytree, 09 February 2019 - 01:25 PM.
Posted 09 February 2019 - 02:05 PM
There are a number of eligible suspects who might be identified as one of the first to reweld a tube or plate, but I don’t know who exactly. Doug Offinger (DLO) was instrumental in engaging ATF about how to deal with live, imported MGs as he had quite a few 1917 WC BMG and needed help. DEWATs, registered and unregisreed, were a good source of MGs to reactivate and rebuild to register, and there were multitudes of unregistered MGs available.
All for now.
Posted 09 February 2019 - 02:40 PM
i not positive, but i think it was mentioned the owner had a history on the gun...so maybe we will have the first form 4 as proof.
here's more pics...a beautiful gun
possibly an arsenal refinish? looks black oxide to me or close to an original finish. i believe too nice to be original. another known gun smith has pointed out a wave on the cocking slow around the suspect weld area. I cant see it.
Edited by huggytree, 09 February 2019 - 02:42 PM.
Posted 09 February 2019 - 05:08 PM
I see no issues with the gun as an original example as pictured.
A form 4 is for taxed individual transfer only, not original registration, and would not indicate anytning about the original registration form or date unless it is a transfer that predates the end of the 68 Amnesty which would comfirm pre-Amnesty registration and thus, C+R status.
The gun appears to me to be typical in condition and finish of most of the vintage Lanchesters that I have encountered. Lanchesters were a popular import during the DEWAT years as many were available on the post-war surplus small arms market and they were cheap.
None of the above assumes anything beyond what is evident in the pics. Lanchesters have not been found to have been falsely registered as C+R, transferable but are actually pre-May samples, dated post-Ammesty on original registration but without having been cut and welded or a new receiver tube, etc, etc. They have never been popular enough or valuable enough to temp that kind of shenanigans.FWIW
Edited by Black River Militaria CII, 09 February 2019 - 06:21 PM.
Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:27 AM
I can also say the early Mk1s were a very nice blue and everything was screwed together which makes stripping and cleaning very easy.
Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:30 AM
its being re-examined by a forum member later this week and test fired...looking for a 2nd weld under the mag well, looking at form 4's and documents to date its registration....with the finish- i see various hacks,etc and there is finish there...its why i question its original finish....it looks too good....the wood has hacks, yet the metal is in better shape it seems....i would sure like to believe its an original finish gun....either way its a correct finish and if its original its just a bonus....the reweld detracts from the value some and on resale will always be an issue that will come up. If its factory i can accept it for a slight price adjustment. I still am hopeful and should make a decision on it later this next week.....my last subgun purchase most likely
Edited by huggytree, 10 February 2019 - 09:32 AM.
Posted 10 February 2019 - 06:42 PM
I sure like that Lanchester stock and magazine well!
Mine is just too shiny.
Interesting that the gun shown has the early Mk.1 tangent rear sight, but lacks the semi-auto selector from the trigger guard (a feature of the MK 1* guns).
The bolt handle is also MK1.
Mag housing is stamped MK1 (no *) and shows Sterling as the maker.
Edited by APEXgunparts, 10 February 2019 - 06:43 PM.
Posted 10 February 2019 - 06:57 PM
I strongly prefer the ladder sight
If it shoots a bit off I can adjust it
Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:01 AM
Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:40 PM
Confirmed tonight it is a C&R gun. Current owner picked it up using a FFL-03. Hope to get more info by next week.