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#1 dalbert

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 12:58 PM

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I recently acquired 5 WWII era USMC filmstrips, one of which is "TFS-6," covering "Nomenclature of the U.S. Carbine, Caliber .30, M1." This filmstrip has existed for about 68 years, but I cannot find it documented anywhere, including in Larry Ruth's excellent books on the M1 Carbine. I don't believe the filmstrip has been seen by anyone recently. It has 33 frames, and I've made a watermarked pdf file of the filmstrip available for download here. The pdf has a white line through the middle of it, which seems to be a product of the software I used to convert it, and all frames are watermarked with my name, and the website name. I'm doing this because I don't want someone to just pick it up and start selling it as their own. I scanned each frame in at 1200 dpi.

The information in the filmstrip is fairly basic, but very cool, nonetheless. I found it interesting that the example sling used in the filmstrip was the early type with the "C" shaped end clips, and even the one pictured in the filmstrip is unraveling, which, I believe, was the reason for switching to the "D" shaped end clips.

Somewhere, someone may have a phonographic record with the sound for this filmstrip. I'm thinking maybe the National Archives, or maybe someone in the surplus business, or they may be in an attic or basement. Hopefully they didn't all end up in a landfill. It will be something to keep an eye out for, because it would be great to be able to mate the images with their sound again. In the meantime, I'm sure you can use your imagination.

I also completed digitizing a USMC Reising Submachine Gun filmstrip, which is posted on the Reising SMG Board here at Machinegunboards.com, We all paid for the production of these filmstrips years ago, and I'm happy to make them available again. The other filmstrips I have, which are not yet digitized, cover the "Care and Cleaning of the M1" Garand, "Replacing the Firing Pin - U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1," and "U.S" Anti-Personnel Mines."

Your thoughts on the content of the M1 Carbine filmstrip are appreciated. I will probably pin this post at the top of the board after a while.

Here is the filmstrip download link:

http://www.sturmgewe...20Filmstrip.pdf

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 12:35 PM

Thank you for saving / posting this.
I did notice one glaring error in one of the frames. Do you think it's too late to send in one of those corrective notes they used to ask for ?
I'll post the error in the next post. Don't read it till you see if you can spot it.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 12:37 PM

OK/the/error/is/in/frame/11/the/handguard/groove/is/for/the/operating/slide/front/lug/
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (emmagee1917 @ Jul 5 2011, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK/the/error/is/in/frame/11/the/handguard/groove/is/for/the/operating/slide/front/lug/
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Looks like they over ecstended the line as the groove is a bit behind that line. The real error is
on page 10. If yu have been on jouster board, you will already know what it is.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:30 PM

Do you mean pg 10 and 24 ? I thought that was just old names for those that I hadn't heard of. I'll be over on that forum later today , catching up after being gone 4 days.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE (emmagee1917 @ Jul 5 2011, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you mean pg 10 and 24 ? I thought that was just old names for those that I hadn't heard of. I'll be over on that forum later today , catching up after being gone 4 days.
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Well it seems page 10 may not be an error as David has manuals with it both ways.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 08:14 PM

QUOTE (n64atlas @ Jul 5 2011, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (emmagee1917 @ Jul 5 2011, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you mean pg 10 and 24 ? I thought that was just old names for those that I hadn't heard of. I'll be over on that forum later today , catching up after being gone 4 days.
Chris

Well it seems page 10 may not be an error as David has manuals with it both ways.
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To update those here who may be interested, we are having a discussion on Jouster about whether the rear sight on page 10 of the filmstrip is installed backwards. Here are my comments on the subject:

This is an interesting point of contention. Most match rifles have an aperture that is preceded by a tapered opening. (toward the eye) Then again, looking at military rifles in my collection, I observed apertures with tapers facing both directions. I lean toward the M1 Carbine aperture in the filmstrip being positioned correctly, but that is only my opinion.

To further complicate this issue, FM 23-7, dated May 20, 1942, as well as TB 23-7-1, dated March 17, 1942 both show the taper of the aperture toward the shooter's eye. Incidentally, the rifle shown in TB 23-7-1 is Inland serial number 18. However, in TM 9-1276, dated 5 June 1943 (an uncommon manual), the taper of the aperture faces out. So, yes, there was definitely an issue with consistency back then.

I'm sure there is a right and wrong answer to this question, and I don't have an early sight on my 2 Carbines, so I can't check which one is correct based on sight picture and range, so if anyone can provide the logically correct answer, that would be wonderful.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 12:17 PM

The "s" on the base goes on the left side of the gun. On my two early carbines and four spare sights , that puts the long leg forward and the flat face to the rear towards the eye. This is correct to specs , and the majority of carbine pics support this . Thst being said , errors can occur. The sight could be assembled backwards or driven onto the carbine backwards .
Every peep sighted small arm I've examined today has had the rear face flat. Many , such as the M1 Garand , the Reising SMGs and the 1928 Thompson are flatish on both sides , but many , like the Savage No 4 MK 1 , the 1941 Johnson , the BAR , the M1917 Browning , the M1919A4 and A6 , and the .50 cal M2HB all have the dish cut and all , without exception , face forward , away from the eye.
I don't see any grounds for a dispute here.
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Posted 06 July 2011 - 06:37 PM

QUOTE (emmagee1917 @ Jul 6 2011, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The "s" on the base goes on the left side of the gun. On my two early carbines and four spare sights , that puts the long leg forward and the flat face to the rear towards the eye. This is correct to specs , and the majority of carbine pics support this . Thst being said , errors can occur. The sight could be assembled backwards or driven onto the carbine backwards .
Every peep sighted small arm I've examined today has had the rear face flat. Many , such as the M1 Garand , the Reising SMGs and the 1928 Thompson are flatish on both sides , but many , like the Savage No 4 MK 1 , the 1941 Johnson , the BAR , the M1917 Browning , the M1919A4 and A6 , and the .50 cal M2HB all have the dish cut and all , without exception , face forward , away from the eye.
I don't see any grounds for a dispute here.
Chris


Chris,

I think you've resolved it. It's interesting, though, that in at least 3 instances of early M1 Carbine instructional material, that the sight is mounted incorrectly.

Thanks!

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 11:41 AM

I had not thought about it before , or noticed it really , but I bet you've stumbled on the reason why so many restored carbines which have had thier rear sight replaced by an adjustable and then switched back by bubba tend to be installed backwards . Thier going off the incorrect manual pics rather than the thousands of real gun pic. That's kindda funny in my warped humor way.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 09:19 PM

BTT of the pinned post list, since I added the Garand material...

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