96lt1ss Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 St Valentines Day Masacre Weapons By the way if you don't have good Spyware software make sure you check NO if it ask to install Gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Very nice indeed. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Well done!...what a great set of pics...that must have been a thrill to hold such an historical pair of 21s...thanks for the post... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Is it likely that the FBI case was Burke's considering that the Massacre occurred in 1929 and the FBI didn't even procure TSMG's until 1935? Why would there exist an FBI "style" case six years before the FBI even had TSMG's in their armory? Also, the provision for the parts box in the top of the case seems out of period. Since we now know that the parts box was not even into production until late September, 1928, and the kits were not even delivered until December of 1928, it also seems unlikely that there would be a case made to accommodate the kit available to the public only two months later. Now this brings up the question as to whether the hold section on the top of the case was originally made for the shot shell mag and not the spare parts box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mills Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Wow, great pics indeed. Nice little documentary there. I noticed the trombone case next to the Thompsons on the gun rack. I know a few trombone pickers that could kill somebody with their awful playing. Maybe it finally happened! Ron Mills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Arthur, Good analysis about the case having the provision for possibly a shot magazine originally, instead of the spare parts kit. I follow the Chicago gangster stuff fairly closely and I believe that the case was in fact recovered at Burke's house in Michigan. In fact, period photos of the guns and drums found, I believe, show the case in the picture. Let me do a little more research on this and see what I can find out. I'll get back to the list on that aspect of the guns and their recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crow Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Actually the owner of the site mentioned is one of our board members! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Arthur, The photos I was thinking about do not show a police type case in the pictures. There are two suitcases in the photo showing the guns and drums at the time of recovery, but no police case. I would have to agree with you about the FBI type type case probably not being available at the time the guns were recovered. Since one of the guns was held at the FBI Headquarters for years before being returned to Berrien County, who knows if maybe the FBI didn't send it back with one of their old cases. The Berrien County Sheriff's Department may have acquired the case sometime during the 1930's also. Good observation, however! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 G.I., Thanks for checking your pics. Your explanation for the inclusion of the FBI case with Burke's TSMG's seems the most logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mills Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Is there a way of checking with the FBI in D.C. to see if they did send the gun back in one of their old cases? Anybody have any connections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Enough folks here already analyzing these pix...I'll just say "Thanks"!! john http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 You gotta admit this is one SCARY DUDE here: http://www.cswnet.com/~luther/scarydude.jpg Whew! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 is that colt 21a??wink!! i know who it is.r.m.from iowa..take care,ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45wheelgun Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 OK, I am back...after 2 hours of looking at that site. Thanks, what a great link. Makes me want to take a trip to Chicago. Thanks again for the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 That FBI case looks just like the one I have. To the T. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96lt1ss Posted October 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 A few years back I went on a tour of haunted and famous places here in Chicago; one of the places they drove by was the site of the masacre. It is now a senior care facility and they claim to have many strange sightings and noises in some parts of the building. They show you the house across the street where the lookout was, there really wasn't anything to see but it was still kinda cool. They also took us to what is now a bar but used to be a funeral home Al ran. You can even go down into the basement and see some of the stuff still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crow Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 I was amazed at the amount of sites out there that revolve around the 20's. That is where my main interests lay. One day maybe when I go to the TCA shoot I can zip over to Chicago for a quick peak around. I have a small piece of the garage where the massacre happened. Not of the wall itself but from the building. At any rate, I enjoy the site and the links, leads me to look for more books on the topic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitowngangster Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Yes indeed !those weapons were a thrill to hold. Author Rick Mattix(you know the man Colt21a) and i had an awesome time there thanks to Hardrede(Randall Ellsworth).This guy is an A1 human being who took the time to help me achieve the Zenith of my gangster collecting hobby.I was always interested in the St.Val Massacre along with Capone.The Berrien County officers were A1 and treated us royally. By the way i'm told the guns are displayed in glass cases for two weeks in August at the county fair for others to see. That private viewing was a special privilege i will remember forever. Thank-you very much Randall (Hardrede)! John's right Arthur.You anal-ize too much http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 QUOTE John's right Arthur.You anal-ize too much Chitown, If you are only interested in things on their most superficial level and don't have the curiosity, or inclination, for analysis, then how did you develop an interest in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in the first place? Are you saying that you immediately dismissed the case as not original to the collection of Burke's Thompson's' and L drums when you saw the display? Or is that you don't like to consider these incongruous features if they get in the way of a good story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitowngangster Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 (edited) QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Oct 9 2004, 03:58 PM) QUOTE John's right Arthur.You anal-ize too much Chitown, If you are only interested in things on their most superficial level and don't have the curiosity, or inclination, for analysis, then how did you develop an interest in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in the first place? Are you saying that you immediately dismissed the case as not original to the collection of Burke's Thompson's' and L drums when you saw the display? Or is that you don't like to consider these incongruous features if they get in the way of a good story? No Arthur, i was just very appreciative to even get the chance to see the guns.I didn't want to put everything under a microscope like you do.As John said it best the photos were simply put up there for everyone to enjoy and that was my main objective.If you must analyze and criticize at every turn it makes people weary of posting anything up. Can't you just say wow! nice photos and leave it at that.I don't really care about the case.From my perspective the main idea of the trip was the guns not the case. Yes, i treat the massacre with curiosity and interest, but i don't think the killers used the case to kill the seven members in the garage thus my lack of interest in said case.Now from your point of view being a nitpicking afficianado on thompsons and their accoutrements i can understand it,but for just once can't you just let people enjoy it without nitpicking on secondary details?I enjoy my hobby as i'm sure you do yours, but it's not my life's priority so lighten up amigo. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Edited October 9, 2004 by chitowngangster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Chitowngangster, as you point out, one should have a balanced approach to this hobby, and life. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif It is unfortunate when we lose the perspective of the big picture. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif C'est la vie! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Regards, Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitowngangster Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 QUOTE (Walter63a @ Oct 9 2004, 04:31 PM) Chitowngangster, as you point out, one should have a balanced approach to this hobby, and life. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif It is unfortunate when we lose the perspective of the big picture. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif C'est la vie! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Regards, Walter Very well put Walter, i couldn't have said it better. Chitown http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96lt1ss Posted October 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 What I want to know is how three members of this board were involved but none shared their story with us until I posted a link to the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitowngangster Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 QUOTE (96lt1ss @ Oct 9 2004, 04:56 PM) What I want to know is how three members of this board were involved but none shared their story with us until I posted a link to the site. Well to be honest i totally forgot and besides i don't like to toot my own horn. If you found it then that makes it all worthwhile for me to have posted it up on my site. I want to thank-you for that. Chitown http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96lt1ss Posted October 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 QUOTE Well to be honest i totally forgot and besides i don't like to toot my own horn. Ok, not tooting your own horn I'll buy, but how do you possibly forget a experience like that ???????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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