wwl Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 How hard is it to find an original Inland M2, receiver factory marked M2 and in the correct serial number range, so there is no doubt its a Curio and Relic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not hard once you start looking. They come up on Sturm, Subguns, and Gunbroker every now and then. You just have to be ever vigilant.They are usually a few thousand extra. Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 considering M1's were made in the same serial number range as the M2, you would have to check how it was registered. My M2 is a over stampM2 in the correct range but is not C&R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 What SN range is your Inland? Bob D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 7051562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ouch. That really is in the range. How was the gun registered that precludes C&R. Inland had hand stamps, overstamps and M2 guns in those last two SN blocks. Thanks for the info... Bob D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 . I've never done a search on it's history. It is not marked C&R on the paper work and has Rock Island asthe manufactorer. I bought it back in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Ah yes, that answers the question. Rock Island, the company not the arsenal, made quite a few registered receiver guns prior to 1986. Most didn't have that late SN. Thanks for your info. Bob D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I own 6 C&R guns and none are marked C&R on the form 4. A 7 million Inland should definitely be a C&R unless it was remanufactured by welding two halves together. My Bridgeport 28A1 has Numrich Arms down on the form 4 as the manufacturer and they had absolutely nothing to with manufacturing it. Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 They were making both M1's and M2's well into the 7million range. Thus the serial number doesn't mean it's a C&R. You would have toknow it's history through how owned it since it's been registered. I could do a FOIA on it and might do that some time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwl Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The reason I asked the question of factory marked M2s is "if a overstamp is transfered as a C&R is it not possible that on a future transfer application a different examiner might not feel its a C&R as form 4s & 3s are not marked C&R?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The carbine referenced above was manufactured by the Reese brothers acting as "Rock Island Arsenal" . these are not original M2 guns, but M1s that were "converted " prior to 1986. they are not considered C&R. Even if in the correct serial range. C&R guns are not marked C&R on the transfer forms, but there is a block in the computer file for the gun that is "Checked" for the C&R status. There are a number of M1s registered as M2s, that are not Inland or Winchester but are considered C&R. We had about 20 + of them registered here in MN by Minneapolis PD in 1968 under the amnesty. The guns were subsequently sold and transferred to individual officers, and have transferred as C&R guns since. As noted above by another contributor, you really need to know the history of the gun to determine if it is C&R ,and "original". Some are, some are not.so an M2 "Overstamp" in the correct range may or may not be C&R.an IBM Marked M1 may be C&RAn IBM Marked M2 May be C&RJust sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Friend has a Postal Meter that is marked C&R on the form 3. Hes a FFL/SOT. That explains why it's considered a C&R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Where or how is it Marked "C&R " - I have never seen one marked as such, in the hundreds I have seen/ handled. That would be interesting to see- What time frame was it approved ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 considering M1's were made in the same serial number range as the M2, you would have to check how it was registered. My M2 is a over stamp M2 in the correct range but is not C&Ratlas. Just to clarify. Your M2 "over stamp" had a receiver stamped M1 and someone over stamped the 1 with a 2. Is that what you have?? Or do you have a "hand stamped" receiver, a receiver without a number after the M and a 2 was hand stamped off center?? Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Someone stamped a 2 over the 1. I'll se if I can get a clear pic of it and post it. Edited September 19, 2014 by n64atlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I have examples of both..an Inland in the 6.8 million range and a Winchester overstamp and neither list a C&R status on the forms.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Is that Inland a Hand Stamp variation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I have a C&R Winchester and Inland as well, neither marked "C&R" on the form 4. I also own probably another 20-25 Form 3 or form 4 C&R MGs, none are marked on the forms as C&R. Winchseter is an overstamp, Inland is factory stamped as "M2" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwl Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I return to the reason for my original question. If an M2 that is not in the correct Winchester or Inland serial number range, and is not factory stamped M2, is transfered to a holder of a C&R license, what prevents a future examiner declining a transfer as not being a C&R? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 To answer your question, the gun is identified in the ATF data base as "C&R" by have some little block checked. Sometimes guns are added as C&R when information is provided to BATF to document or "prove" they are C&R. Follow on transfers should be approved as C&R. Guns are considered C&R by virtue of being "original" but this determination can be a little arbitrary. Some guns were mis-registered, some are sold incorrectly as C&R ( I have had several of the Rock Island M2 carbines sent in for guys who bought them incorrectly being told they were C&R - had to send back or sell for them) I have several Guns that are clearly "original" and are NOT C&R. one MG08/15 in particular. Has a Charlie Erb bullet logo, but based on inspection it was never cut, plates are original, but it will not transfer as C&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Riverbank has a receiver with serial number 92. That should be low enough to qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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