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#21 huggytree

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 09:10 AM

how many  m12s are in the registry? never seen one for sale?

 

kinda like those 400 ingram m6 mags for $175, then $150, then $125 , then $100

 

where is the market for 80 NIB 32 rounders for the m12, 38/42 ?

 

when i saw these mag for sale my thought was $20 each and sell them for $50 each

 

buying at $50 and trying to sell at a nice profit now? i just never see any of those $100 mags selling

 

again i buy the 40's for $55-75


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#22 johnsonlmg41

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 09:06 PM

Beretta M12: https://en.wikipedia...iki/Beretta_M12

 

One of the best SMGs in the world.

 

The appeal is new factory mags that work in the Model 38/42.

 

Apparently behind the LF57 as mentioned in the article? 

 

All Beretta SMG's will take the same magazine, that is one of the benefits.   I've never heard of any selling for $100, but I suppose it's possible?  Some of the older ones are a bit scarce, but newer ones seem plentiful with a limited supply of guns.

 

I've never heard of and PM12s transferables, but as always it's possible? 


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#23 Robert Henley

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 08:25 AM

A Pre-86 DS PM-12S:

 

https://www.gunbroke.../Item/794663908

 

Wish I had an SOT.


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:33 PM

Buy an LF57,  better, cheaper, transferable.   So nice Walther copied them!

Had an SOT, no desire to have it back.... other than the wait time.


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Posted 02 February 2019 - 07:38 AM

Buy an LF57,  better, cheaper, transferable.   So nice Walther copied them!

Had an SOT, no desire to have it back.... other than the wait time.

 

Was it the $500 a year for the SOT or just that it wasn't useful enough given the cost, i.e., what are the pros and cons?

 

I seem to recall seeing one for sale some time ago: 

 

https://en.wikipedia...i/Franchi_LF-57

 

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Walther_MP

 

I guess it takes its own magazine?

 

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 07:40 PM

The time saved was eaten up  in compliance inspections and other nonsense atf paperwork and local zoning folks who wanted a cut of time and money.   The fee more than offset the taxes   Great gig for retired guys, but watching someone unpack their lunch for an hour break.....while I'm losing money on my day job kind of took the fun out of it.   It can happen every year and I think I was done twice in six, but the schedule was changing to more often.   Maybe when I retire I'd welcome the visit? 

 

The wiki page is a mess.   No, all Italian smg's take the same mags in 9mm which was a pretty smart idea.  The PM12s page noted the LF57 was a better gun, but not adopted.  I can't really say that's true or not without specific criteria and a PM12 here to shoot (which I don't have), but I will say the LF 57 is a pretty nice overall design.   HTH


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 10:43 AM

Guys the price of $50 for a M12 mags is outrageous.. In a recent Proxy bid auction (LFF in FL) a nice group of 38/42 M12 style mage 20 rounds went for an average around $19 each.  I picked up 4 rare ZK383 mages for $21 delivered each... I've never paid over $35 for any 30/40 RD 38/42, M12 mag...

 

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 04:33 PM

But if you look on gb you will see 5-8 people selling 32-40 rd mags for $100+

I never see any sell

Like a pretend market
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Posted 25 February 2019 - 04:58 AM

The Walther MPL featured in this week's Firearm News.  Good article.


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:46 AM

Wartime Beretta magazines were only for 10, 20, 40 rounds.

They were standard for every Italian SMG (FNA B43, OG42 and 44, TZ45, Variara, Isotta Fraschini,.....)

 

Post war was introduced the new LF57 and the new 30 rounds magazine, to avoid jamming problems. It was on the body of the old 40 rounds to use the same magazines holders.

 

32 rounds magazines are for the PM 12 but they are good also for every Italian SMG.


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 07:18 AM

Here a LF57 30 rounds magazine on 40 rounds body: you can see the "bulge" inserted in the bottom  Attached File  P1020894.JPG   89.24K   3 downloads


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 04:02 PM

Here a LF57 30 rounds magazine on 40 rounds body: you can see the "bulge" inserted in the bottom  attachicon.gif P1020894.JPG

 

I have two "30" rounder magazines with the "bulge" removed so they hold 40 rounds.  If I had two of the "bulges" I'd put them back in but don't have them (previous owner took them out).

 

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 12:37 PM

Here a LF57 30 rounds magazine on 40 rounds body: you can see the "bulge" inserted in the bottom  attachicon.gif P1020894.JPG

 

I have two "30" rounder magazines with the "bulge" removed so they hold 40 rounds.  If I had two of the "bulges" I'd put them back in but don't have them (previous owner took them out).

 

Robert

How do they run with the block removed? the spring looks like the same size as the 40 rounder.


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Posted 09 July 2019 - 12:58 PM

The springs are identical.  The "block" or "bulge" just takes up space that could be used by 10 rounds or ammo. 


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Posted 09 July 2019 - 03:55 PM

ok thx...does anyone make replacement springs for the beretta mags??


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 08:02 PM

ok thx...does anyone make replacement springs for the beretta mags??

 

Vin,

 

I asked Wolff springs sometime ago, and they advised they did not.  I did order 10 MP-40 mag springs and a set of recoil springs from them just recently.  I also recently ordered and received 10 STEN mag springs and gun springs from Lee Tool and Machine.

 

Lee Tools and Machine told me in 2017 they could make them but it was a batch of 1,000.  We could go in with other interested Board members and have a 1,000 (or more) magazine springs made (and maybe a 1,000 38/42 recoil springs).  We would need a sample/drawing.

 

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 09:33 PM

Too few 38/42s out there to ever sell 1000

Id buy 20

How many of these berettas are in the registry. ? 200 is my guess. They show up 3-4x a year

Im sure you could sell 200. But not 1000

Ive also asked Lee tool 6-8 months ago. Got the same answer

Edited by huggytree, 10 July 2019 - 09:34 PM.

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