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#21 ron_brock

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Posted 20 November 2019 - 05:48 PM


Soon we will be in the age of jumping in car van or bus and pick it up..


Already there.  :)  Several years ago I used the excuse of picking up a Browning M1917A1 from Bob Naess for a short vacation in New England, 19 hours one way.  Well, worth the time and expense.
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My Thompson was flown to me by the previous owner. Dad says I hang out with an odd crowd.

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#22 maxfaxdude

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Posted 20 November 2019 - 06:35 PM

USPS lost a $140 watch I had insured in the early 2000s.  Took 6 months and multiple visits (6 or 7) to the post-office before they finally cut me a check.  I can't even imagine what would have happen if it had been a $14,000 machinegun.  


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Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:21 AM

While this isn't an NFA item, here's a horror story I've been watching on another forum.  A guy had a problem with an FN SCAR 17 ($3,500 rifle) and FN sent him a shipping label for warranty repair.  He wraps & boxes it up good and takes it to the Fed Excuse hub.  They verify the weight (ten pounds) and he took photos of the box as they took possession.  The box was taped heavily with nylon filament tape.

 

The box arrived at FN weighing under TWO POUNDS, sans rifle!  They sent the poor guy photos, the box had been opened and resealed with brown plastic tape while in Fed Excuse custody.  FN says that he didn't ship the rifle, just an empty box, and won't replace it.  Fed Excuse says FN didn't declare a value so their liability is $100.

 

So if you have to send an expensive item in for warranty, do it on your dime and declare the value!  And make sure it's well insured and documented.


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Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:59 AM

There was a coment about USPS registered mail spotty tracking .

Well , to clear that up and be fair - THERE IS NO TRACKING and there is no fast delivery . Here's why .

 

When the package is accepted it goes into the back . There it is inserted into an outer container with it's own tracking and only shows departure station and recieving station . The outer package is only opened at the recieving station . The inner package is never scanned so is not tracked . The outer is , but only USPS knows the number and the info is not released to the public . Think security people , no one knows what's in it nor where it is ( well , the poor smuck who has it knows where it is , he better know , or else ) . The inner package is only removed at the receiving station so it can be scanned and delivered to the addressee . You are wasting your money for " fast delivery " because no one sees the inner package during the trip and the outer package is scanned and signed off every time it changes hand .

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 02:20 PM

Although I have had nothing "lost" or stolen by those shippers, UPS and Fed Ex are the biggest pain (and in some instances, nightmares) to deal with. Fed Ex likes to find other addresses in the state that have had my name attached to them and forward my packages to them causing me aggravation, inconvenience and additional expenses. Either them or UPS ran my M60 over with a truck or forklift. It belonged to the previous own at the time and I guess they paid to fix it.

I did have a mail carrier show an item (Glock pistol) as delivered (we were closed and nobody was there to sign for the package, so that's a neat trick). He figured he would just drop it off Monday when we were open, so he stuck it in his cubby at the PO. He shat when he came into work Monday and it was gone. My speaking to the postmaster and letting him know it was a gun involved and my next call would be to ATF resulted in my package being found within 24 hours.

I ship guns through my local PO all the time with no hassle. The postmaster even prints up those shipping forms for me and the clerks are great. For convenience sake I once attempted to ship out of a larger area post office with a lot of complaints against it, a clerk who was not from this country and "Nancy boy" supervisor would not let me ship a pistol, in spite of me showing the FFL's and fully complying with postal regulations. They said it was verboten. I asked them to break out the postal regs and I would show them where it was allowed. They couldn't produce the regs and I was in a hurry, so I went to my local PO the next day and they shipped it no problem.

Freight companies are the worst. I think they try their best to bust open whatever crate we get so we have the clean and count all of the parts that end up spilling out along the way.

I've driven the last four MG's I sold out of state to their new owner. Insurance would not have been able to replace the rare pieces. A MAC I'll ship, a three digit Colt gets driven under armed escort.
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 11:35 PM

OK I am going to look into the link that Ron put out. There is another gun insurance group that gets circulated around the Sporting clays crowd (NSCA) and I will check them too. It appears the problem is two-fold. Either can’t get it insured at all or can’t collect.

I think the cost is sorta like renting a car and paying the daily or mortgage insurance=stupid money.

When I fly to a sporting clays event a buddy and I ship ours in a large Pelican and its not cheap for 40K coverage.

I will compare that number to the Collectors/Insurance cost. Presently I have this little ninja on my shoulder that tells me not

to ever make a firearms list for insurance purposes......NFA is fine for obvious reasons but nothing else.


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Posted 24 November 2019 - 09:01 AM

Collectors require a Schedule listing items valued at over $5000, but serial numbers are not required.


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Posted 24 November 2019 - 02:15 PM

Be sure when shopping that the company will insure if you actually shoot the item. One company told the will not, but they will insure fine China if you use them for eating. I said that was discrimination against gun owners and we ended the call. I clarified that I was not discussing damage due to firing.

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Posted 25 November 2019 - 06:00 AM

I bid on a shotgun from an estate and won. Shipping insured to me the USPS broke a chunk from lower area of the stock and butt plate. Obviously was dropped although it was packed well according to my receiving dealer. I contacted the seller who offered to return my funds and pay to ship it back or get a repair estimate he would pay that and he would file with USPS for damage claim. I really wanted this one so I had a Gunsmith estimate repairs. He paid the estimate and it was fixed. I am not happy with USPS but having the shotgun was more important. My WH came to my dealer with no issues but I drove to go get it. Probably will do that again. I have Collectables insurance now hope I dont need it.

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Posted 25 November 2019 - 08:47 AM

USPS crushed the box that my spare M60 op rod was shipped in.  No damage to the rod so I guess it's "no harm, no foul" but I shudder to think of what they could have done to something a lot rarer and more fragile.


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Posted 25 November 2019 - 09:00 AM

A couple of years ago a dealer shipped me a fa thru the usps. He had to go to several post offices before they would agree to ship it then said its only insured for $2500. It got to me in two days from one coast to the other safe and sound. I cant say i wasnt worried though ha
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Posted 25 November 2019 - 11:36 AM

I have little faith in shippers ... Received this package into the shop last year.

 

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Posted 25 November 2019 - 02:55 PM

A couple of years ago a dealer shipped me a fa thru the usps. He had to go to several post offices before they would agree to ship it then said its only insured for $2500. It got to me in two days from one coast to the other safe and sound. I cant say i wasnt worried though ha


He used standard Priority Mail, for the higher insurance amounts you have to use Registered Priority Mail.


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Posted 26 November 2019 - 01:15 AM

I've used Collectibles and their customer service was excellent.    

 

Cost for me was less than 1% of valuation per year.   (I think it was about 75 basis points)

 

To be totally transparent, I've never had to make a claim so have no idea if making a claim would be a problem.     

 

Has anybody here made a claim with Collectibles???    Would like to get some feedback about a claim experience.

 

When I first contacted them about a policy, I had a MG in lockup at my local firearm dealer awaiting my form 4 and wanted that gun added to my policy.   Took about 3 days and then the underwriters agreed to insure that gun as part of my collection even though it was stored off-site.    Yes, I know, you would think the FFL would have insurance but they had been broken into in the past and then you starting thinking about fires, etc. and it was just a lot easier to sleep at night knowing I had my own insurance rather than wondering if the FFL would exceed their limits, etc.


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Posted 26 November 2019 - 01:18 AM

Hey, one more question.    

 

Has anyone made a claim concerning a damaged gun?    If a gun is stolen, we can always use the receipt as an indicator of valuation.   But how would one go about assessing the extent of damages if we had to make a claim about a gun received but damaged during shipping?   


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Posted 26 November 2019 - 08:52 AM


A couple of years ago a dealer shipped me a fa thru the usps. He had to go to several post offices before they would agree to ship it then said its only insured for $2500. It got to me in two days from one coast to the other safe and sound. I cant say i wasnt worried though ha


He used standard Priority Mail, for the higher insurance amounts you have to use Registered Priority Mail.

Hmmm i wonder if he didnt realize that. It was shipped from fla on thurs and the box arrived on sat in Az. I picked it up at the post office.
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Posted 26 November 2019 - 11:49 AM

A couple of years ago a dealer shipped me a fa thru the usps. He had to go to several post offices before they would agree to ship it then said its only insured for $2500. It got to me in two days from one coast to the other safe and sound. I cant say i wasnt worried though ha


He used standard Priority Mail, for the higher insurance amounts you have to use Registered Priority Mail.

Roscoe,

 

Not trying to "nit-pick" here but I think a couple of the posters are being confused by the term Registered Priority Mail.  Registered Mail is it's own animal as you correctly pointed out.  It is the safest and most secure mail the Post Office offers.  It is stamped and recorded at every step along the way and takes the longest.  Priority and Express Mail are two different entities, not to be confused with Registered Mail.  I used to work for the Postal Inspection Service and we had to ship evidence via Registered Mail.  It has to be wrapped in a certain manner and all seams have to be covered with packaging tape.  Frankly, Priority Mail is hit or miss.  I had a Priority Mail envelope with a check take a week to deliver to the next County over in the same State.  I have had other deliveries halfway across the country take two days.  It depends on what time of the day or week you drop it in the box and the efficiency of your local Post Office personnel.


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Posted 26 November 2019 - 01:51 PM

When Harry Winston donated the Hope diamond to the Smithsonian he sent it registered mail.

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 07:26 PM

When Harry Winston donated the Hope diamond to the Smithsonian he sent it registered mail.

 

Many jewelers still ship diamonds that way.


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Posted 01 December 2019 - 11:45 AM

When Harry Winston donated the Hope diamond to the Smithsonian he sent it registered mail.

 

Many jewelers still ship diamonds that way.

Hard for me to believe you guys believe that stuff.   Most everything of value is handled by private couriers in  a very low key way.  Even on valuable stuff I've seen private couriers dropping off stuff at RIA for auction.  Fact is generic shipping companies and usps are always a gamble, the only question is how high is your risk tolerance.  It's now 2 months I've waited for an air shipment from the EU that was quoted at 3-5 days.  It's been 2 weeks since they said they now can't do it, yet they haven't returned the package that is likely less than 40 miles away from the origin, so that we can try a different carrier. 


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