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Is there any update on the repro 1921 actuators?


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#1 thompsonteenager

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 05:55 PM

Awhile back I saw some trying to get measurements for the colt actuator so he could remake and sell them is there any update?

Thanks,Luke:)
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#2 benedw60

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 06:02 PM

That was me, proof of concept was achieved, but decided to spend the money on other projects.
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Posted 28 April 2019 - 11:17 AM

That was me, proof of concept was achieved, but decided to spend the money on other projects.

Where did you get the design/drawings? 


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#4 benedw60

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 12:54 PM

Used combination of a 1928 actuator drawing and a Doug Richardson 1921 retro actuator
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#5 arrgh1934

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 05:04 PM

Doug Richardson still has 1921 reproduction actuators, just talked with him last week.
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#6 jpw43

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 05:08 AM

How much are they going for?


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#7 ppgcowboy

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:30 PM

About 425 if I remember correctly.

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 02:10 AM

Would love to buy a Richardson actuator, but I have no idea how to buy from him.
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Posted 30 April 2019 - 05:15 AM

Would love to buy a Richardson actuator, but I have no idea how to buy from him.


Usually call him and let him know you want to buy, then send a check by mail and wait.

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 03:23 PM

They break identical to the originals. Possibly too hard. He blames the design/harmonics/recoil slamming, etc.

His contractor used 1921 prints, and tried for the same N-2 material.

 

Arguably it is better to use a cut down Savage 1928, since it doesn't break like Doug's/Colts.. Unfortunately PK is not motivated to make a few extra, or even cut down sent in actuators for ~1 year+ now.

 

Not one person attempts to compete with Doug in the TSMG market.. Not even "Bob". Doug is blinder than a bat, and near the end of his swing. He can't read, or see much. Tracy Hill should have a copy of the prints, as does Doug.. and maybe a few others.  Doug claims all his work will be thrown in the dumpster outside when he passes. "Somebody" needs to look into cashing him out before that happens, for the informational value at the very least. He has the most technical information on the "Early" parts that are coveted by so many.

 

(310) 457-6400 Speak slow, loud, and don't waste his time.


Edited by Vollmer, 30 April 2019 - 03:24 PM.

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#11 benedw60

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 04:08 PM

My prototype had a 1928 style knob, not a tear drop style knob that a 1921 had, to eliminate the sheer potential. If I ever do put them in production they would be made from 4140 steel
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Posted 30 April 2019 - 04:42 PM

      I have talked to Doug at length about his M1921 actuators. He was going to improve the design by

eliminating the tear-drop shape of the slot in the knob, but everybody he mentioned it to said they wanted

one that looked like a M1921, not like a M1928A1. So I guess an exact copy of a M1921 actuator will

include the design flaw of the tear-drop shape slot and the weakening that comes with it.

    I am not aware of any statistics on the failure rate of Doug's actuators. I do not know how many he has

sold, and how many of them have failed. For that matter, I do not know what the failure rate is for

original M1921 Colt actuators. Of the 15,000 that are out there, how many have failed? That would also

be interesting to know. I have one of Doug's m1921 actuators for reference which i have never used in

a gun and i will say it is an excellent piece of machine work. 

 

Bob


Edited by reconbob, 30 April 2019 - 05:27 PM.

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#13 arrgh1934

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 04:43 PM

I have put thousands of rounds through two 21 Colts using Dougs actuators.I have not yet had any problems with breakage, but know of others who have.Doug made them to EXACT specifications from original blueprints.They break like the originals due to design.4140 steel will likely not solve Colts inherent design flaw.They break because Doug was at the time unwilling to compromise.These actuators are perfect in every way-so perfect they function and sometimes fail just like the originals.Yes,you can cut down a later actuator,but for appox. 450 bucks i will shoot it till it may break and switch it out with another.Spoke with him the other day,picked up two more(4 should last a lifetime)not confident he has many left


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Posted 30 April 2019 - 05:50 PM

Can someone please tell me how to contact Doug. The number I used last year is not working.
Thanks
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#15 arrgh1934

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 06:47 PM

Doug Richardson: (818)627-6388


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Posted 30 April 2019 - 08:42 PM

Must've updated the Magicjack, or ditched the cell phone!

 

He has a drawer of his repro actuators with the knobs broken off.. I am skeptical there is not a material capable of handling the 21 design... Hardened buffer discs and worn springs are also suspect to inducing failure.

 

Not only the teardrop, but the knurling is also different.. Very little demand for new 28 style, cut down actuators, in my opinion. .. knurled savage 1928s can still be found and modified.


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#17 benedw60

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 08:58 PM

Market research is always important before making widgets and the feedback Ive gotten from the forum has been invaluable. Worst case senario is ending up with a couple thousand dollars worth of parts that nobody wants and eating the cost whatever part you have made to sell.
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#18 arrgh1934

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 10:32 PM

Sorry,try this number for Doug. (310)457-6400.
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#19 Vollmer

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 10:48 PM

No reason to conclude 4140 or the original alloy are the only options.. 4340, 300m, 8620, 9310, etc

https://www.makeitfrom.com/
 
Must also considered what hardness levels throughout the part. A cutting blade, the shank is often tempered straw so it can flex and does not shatter like glass, the cutting end remains hard. The handle being tempered prior to hot oxiding might solve the issue.

Edited by Vollmer, 30 April 2019 - 10:55 PM.

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#20 mnshooter

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Posted 01 May 2019 - 05:09 PM

I have one new/never in a gun Richardson 21 type Actuator for $408 shipped, if anyone is interested.


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