huggytree Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 http://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7133-police-ordnance-ingram-model-6/ cant believe ruben would have something like this in his inventory....rare gun, but condition is beyond horrible....his guns are so perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 "Beyond horrible" is certainly an exaggeration. It has a unique surface patina, and an easily repairable crack in the pistol grip. I kind of like the look...It has a mark on the stock where a PD ID tag was probably once affixed. This M6 has seen service somewhere, and its surface condition reflects it... David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StooperZero Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 yep, that patina look is very attractive and shows it was actually handled VS being on a rack it's whole life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Looks like it was carried a lot. Possibly came from a prison system. I would love to take it home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 Hmm.. I expected to see pits and rust. Instead honest wear and a crack in the vertical grip. Likely police or prison used. Looks great. If this were a WWII Thompson, people would be drooling over the look. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted May 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 id offer him $3,500 and keep it for a parts gun its more than i paid for mine and 1/4 the quality....his website is full of flawless guns....then this rusty/no finish M6...doesnt make sense..... i will be shocked to see this one sell quick...i think its going to be a year+ sad someone took care of a gun so poorly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StooperZero Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 sorry. patina sells. Not about poor care but USE. Wonder into the winchester realm . nothing will make a collector go bonkers over any pre-64 gun like the finish you see on that M6, Uniform patina is as good as gold . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 It's a decently priced M6 with patina. Like Ron said, based on the original comment, I expected to see pitting, but that is obviously not present on this M6. I would be proud to own it, but I already own the 48th one they made... David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted May 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 i can see patina is some wear...but when its got no finish left an is orange youve lost me a ww2 thompson w/ original finish but no rust....i agree id prefer it that way over a refinish..... we will see how your views are shared with other buyers....will it sit forever or be sold in 2 months? that will be the judge mine was $6300 and the one before it was $5,500 (i think)....both appear to have original finish on the metal if this M6 was mine to sell i would refinish it to each his own!......if anyone notices it sells post it...i dont look at rubens website to see what sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M17ap Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 It's marked SOLD today 5/9/17 Read his ad on subguns at 3am this morning. Work late hours. Somebody liked it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) all i can say----to each his own.....i dont think id take that gun for $3,500 Ruben has the golden touch some times seen some lower priced guns sell quickly lately......seems like anything under $7k sells....anything over $10k-15k seems to sit a while next ill see that Savage commercial thompson sell for $49,000 Edited May 9, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 It sold quickly, to say the least. Probably because it was posted on Sturm...;-) David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Rifle Ordnance LLC Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 I bought it. I have no issues with it and yes it's expensive but they are always expensive. Whomever said $3,500 that was about 5 to 8 years ago. MG's are never going to be that cheap again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) it was me.....and i do believe to each his own, so my opinion is very different than yours on the gun...but if your happy with it thats what matters in the end a M6 was on GB for i think $7k for a while, then sold on Sturm for $5,500 and was pretty nice...no rust or damage...sold in a few days i found mine in similar condition from a dealer for $6,300 w/ 2 mags (1 niw) ive never seen a rusted machine gun for sale like yours and it shocks me.....im very fussy though...so to me even a few blemishes or scratches is too much its like buying an original 1970 426 hemi car thats all rusted....it has value and originality....and to some originality is more important than a restored one. if i owned the gun i would refinish it....most of my guns were NIB when i got them if your interested in parts i recently got a couple military version parts id sell for a reasonable price.....i took all the common parts off of it, but the military version seems to be very rare you will enjoy your gun...i am impressed with mine...sights are the best of any sub gun!....the ergonomics of the rear pistol grip is poor..at least for my hands...for the $$ i think the M6 is bargain priced and rare to see Edited May 11, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) it was me.....and i do believe to each his own, so my opinion is very different than yours on the gun...but if your happy with it thats what matters in the end a M6 was on GB for i think $7k for a while, then sold on Sturm for $5,500 and was pretty nice...no rust or damage...sold in a few days i found mine in similar condition from a dealer for $6,300 w/ 2 mags (1 niw) ive never seen a rusted machine gun for sale like yours and it shocks me.....im very fussy though...so to me even a few blemishes or scratches is too much its like buying an original 1970 426 hemi car thats all rusted....it has value and originality....and to some originality is more important than a restored one. if i owned the gun i would refinish it....most of my guns were NIB when i got them if your interested in parts i recently got a couple military version parts id sell for a reasonable price.....i took all the common parts off of it, but the military version seems to be very rare you will enjoy your gun...i am impressed with mine...sights are the best of any sub gun!....the ergonomics of the rear pistol grip is poor..at least for my hands...for the $$ i think the M6 is bargain priced and rare to seeWhere do you see rust on this gun other than rust bluing? I see thin blue that has turned brown with age. This is very different than active red rust that decays metal and leaves pits when removed. Refinishing drops the value of any collector gun. Even a worn 100% all original 426 hemi car will bring more than a repainted one. Ron Edited May 11, 2017 by ron_brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 i see orange and i see about 10% finish remaining....ive never seen a gun with 10% finish remaining before to me the color is closer to orange than brown, but photo's and computer screens can change what a color is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 I bought it. I have no issues with it and yes it's expensive but they are always expensive. Whomever said $3,500 that was about 5 to 8 years ago. MG's are never going to be that cheap again.Congrats, good score. I just don't see any rust, just patina from handling. The last time I saw a M6 for $3500 was at the SAR East show in York, Pa. I don't remember the year but it had to be about 15? years ago. I remember because I almost bought it on the spot. Until I noticed the butt plate was missing, so I passed. I have regreted it ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Bottom line, it's not rusty. It has patina from honest use. Congratulations on buying it, RROLLC... David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Rifle Ordnance LLC Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Got the M6 in today. First impression, man this thing is light compared to the Thompson which I realize is a completely different animal. Loaded the mag up expecting joy only to discover that I'm getting light primer strikes. I first suspected the main spring but it appears to have a lot of tension I even stretched it a bit. It will fire a couple then stop. To me, the firing pin protrusion seems a little small if you compare it to say a Sten. I contacted Reuben and he asked me to ship the gun to his gun dealer but I'm hoping I can solve it myself. Just placed an order for a main spring from Sarco. Any input? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Light strikes can be a combination of things. Check if the magazine feed lips are rubbing the bolt. With the recoil spring out. Slide the bolt back and forth. Is it rubbing off catching ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted June 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) could be just a mag issue....only 1 mag? you paid good $ for that gun, i would send it back to Ruben and let him handle it....youve got 12 months to wait...why bother yourself... congrats on the gun...mine is sitting in jail also once you get it going you will enjoy it....in sub gun competitions it will be like cheating with that trigger.....ive only shot mine 2 sessions (approx 500-600 rounds)..on the first session i found full auto hard to control, by the second time i could blast away at a silouette at 15 yards and hold it on target....my only complaint on the gun is the poor ergonomics of the pistol grip...it wore the skin right off my thumb...almost need shooting gloves...second session i held it more loosely and that helped...then i found the trigger guard also rubbed on my hand...its an interesting gun and will probably start some conversations at any machine gun shoot event. post a video when it gets running...i had some video's of mine, but got rid of them also check out the macman book...its where i first saw it and wanted one.. Edited June 22, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Rifle Ordnance LLC Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Robert Naess got the gun sorted for me and Reuben took care of the bill. Here is the assessment: The barrel appears to be a replacement to me, but it might be original. The gun has an early serial number, 344, and it is possible that early guns had composite barrels in the fashion in which yours was done. The breech ring, which is numbered to the gun, is a separate part, bored out, threaded and a barrel threaded into the ring and cross pinned. Bore is excellent. All the M6s, both police and commercial guns, that I have worked on have been higher serial numbers and all have had numbered, one piece barrels, so this one is unique in my experience. The bolt in your gun is a composite also. The body of the bolt is one piece and the smaller OD section with the firing pin, extractor and ejector groove is a second piece. You might recall what it looks like. The body is half-section for part of the way and the second piece is inserted into a centered hole about in the middle of the body and cross pinned with the smaller OD part extending forward. The bolt impacts the breech face. Since the headspace was too long, I chucked up the bolt to skim the part of the bolt that impacts the breech face. Unfortunately, the smaller OD part is no longer perfectly concentric with the bolt body interfering with working the face of the bolt that impacts the breech face. I removed the cross pin holding the smaller OD section in the body, but could not remove the smaller OD part. I was able to skim some metal but the eccentric smaller OD section interfered and not enough was removed to close up the headspace. I removed the barrel, skimmed the breech face and tested the headspace several times to allow the small OD section of the bolt to close up the headspace sufficiently to correct it. The extractor was pretty well worn and would not reliably extract so it has been replaced. On removal of the barrel, I also disassembled the foregrip from the barrel. The foregrip was cracked through along the woodgrain at the thinner cross section. The mounting bar for the grip is screwed into a channel on the top of the grip which was holding it together. I glued the grip back together with an epoxy glue. Other police M6s that I've had also had cracked grips due to the way the grips are made with the diagonal woodgrain. The angle of the grain makes the grip vulnerable to cracking when the grip is pressed forward or backward in use. The elevator for the rear sight is missing, which you might already know about. I don't know where to find one of these, but there are sight specialists who will have the parts since it is a standard KING sporting sight from that era. I have tested the gun with several full mags and it functions as it should. Mag works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Hi, I've been studying the Ingram M6. I know there are at least 2 different extractors. Does your S/N 344 have the long tail or more "pork-chop" shape? Thanks, Grasshopper Edited August 15, 2017 by Grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Rifle Ordnance LLC Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Looks like the bottom one in that picture that I think you describe as "pork chop" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Hi RRO, Thanks. That is the latest "pork-chop" extractor S/N I've seen so far. Sincerely, Grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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