Can they get the votes to ban our Class III guns

[Mike Hammer]

 

Just saw this a short time ago. !0 turncoat Republican are supporting a new bill to outlaw any rate increasing device for guns What do you think?

 

Mike Hammer

[Adg105200]

(edit) Yes they will try. The whole increased rate thing is complete bs since the stock isn't even needed. But also, in case there are some here who may not be familiar with Larue tactical, here is what the owner thinks and I have to agree:

 

 

"

In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA

 

I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding.

 

I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper.

 

I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward.

 

Mark LaRue

LaRue Tactical

"

 

They are just trying to take away our rights an inch at a time. And once some ruling/law is in place you never get it back.

 

Andrew

Edited October 13, 2017 by Adg105200

[huggytree]

yes i think so....i believe the only reason we exist is most people dont know we exist...anything that exposes that machine guns are actually legal hurts us....

 

soccer moms would fall over in a panic if they knew a dozen or so people near them owned machine guns

 

i have 0 trust in republicans to be conservative....ted cruz? yea he'd be on our side....rand paul? i think it would also....

 

average republican....i think not...lots of gun owners who dont even like AR's....they only see guns=hunting and maybe a handgun for protection...they would give up AR's tomorrow w/o a care....my father in law is one of them...he is an ex WW2, ex captain of the hwy patrol....as hard core of a conservative as you will ever find...yet he see's no purpose to an AR...certainly he would not be happy if he knew i had FA's in my safe......lots of shades of grey on the pro gun movement.....divide and conquer is how i see it....and they could easily divide on the machine gun issue..

 

how many people would care? how many own? 50,000? 25,000?(this is my guess)...might even be 10,000 of us

Edited October 12, 2017 by huggytree

[The Lone Ranger]

You are talking about people who promised and VOTED to repeal government run health "insurance" (redistribution mechanism) but once it actually became possible, decided you needed to stay on it while exempting themselves and taking money from you to pay their comparatively low premiums for much better coverage. The only cure is term limits and the only avenue to that is an Article V convention.

[Adg105200]

Then again, you might not have too much to worry about with class 3 stuff because everyone is too worried about what you can do with a "fully semi-automatic" "assault rifle."

 

Andrew

[Robert Henley]

Here's what our great state NRA leader, Marion, said about it:

 

ALERT! 3 FL Republican Members of Congress Sponsor Major Gun Control

DATE: October 12, 2017
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

At this writing three (3) Republican members of Congress from Florida and 10 other Republican Congressmen from around the country have sponsored a major gun control bill.

H.R. 3999 sponsored by Florida Republican Congressmen Carlos Curbelo (R-Miami), Dennis Ross (R-Tampa), and Florida Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Miami) is a dangerous bill.

While pretending that it is simple bill to ban "bump-stocks" it is actually a stalking horse for major gun control that is far reaching.

We should all wake up and pay attention. When members of congress who have pledged their allegiance to the Constitution and the Second Amendment and have made a commitment to protect freedom and the firearms rights of their constituents, suddenly abandon those promises, it's time to take note.

Rushing to file gun control legislation to capitalize on a horrific tragedy is something we've grown to expect from antigun, anti-Second Amendment Democrats but certainly not from those claiming to be Republicans.

Use the link within this article to view a copy of the bill.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/curbelo-moulton-introduce-bipartisan-bump-stock-legislation

[AlexanderA]

All the current legislative proposals have to do with semiautomatics that try to emulate full automatics. Not a word about actual full automatics, probably because of the general false impression that full automatics are already illegal -- a false impression that is being fostered by the NRA at every turn. (When the NRA says "machine guns are already illegal," I suppose it's technically correct, since the 1986 Hughes Amendment was couched as a complete prohibition, with a carve-out for already-registered guns. In other words the current machine gun hobby is existing in a legal niche.) The glare of publicity would not be good for this hobby, at least as concerns the general public and most legislators (although we do have a few friends).

[TSMGguy]

Read the bill. I have no problem with it. It doesn't threaten firearms ownership in any way.

 

https://curbelo.house.gov/uploadedfiles/finalbumpstockban.pdf

 

 

[TSMGguy]

Duplicate post deleted.

Edited October 13, 2017 by TSMGguy

[ppgcowboy]

TSMGguy, What is the rate of fire of a semi automatic rifle? We all should have a problem with its vagueness. We should all have a problem with no grandfather clause, and we should all have a problem that the 2nd Amendment is thought of as the only Amendment to be politically correct to dump on. Edited October 13, 2017 by ppgcowboy

[anticus]

Good point. There's nothing in the bill referencing stocks presently legally owned and their disposition. The language as written is bad.

[huggytree]

it depends on if your a purist who believes our rights have no limits....if they DO have limits then they are doomed because there is no end to limits....in 1934 they put some limits and added a $200 stamp, in 86 they stopped future production/ownership........limits on anything seem to rarely reverse themselves....they only continue on and more limits are added.....im a believer that i should to buy any small arms our current military uses...whether that be a M16 or a Star Wars blaster....but i would probably be in the minority and some of you would fit into the grey areas.....

[ppgcowboy]

Once they figure out they can chip away the liberties of one amendment, what words are going to be limited by the government of the first? Scary chit going on.

[lightguy]

Good point. There's nothing in the bill referencing stocks presently legally owned and their disposition. The language as written is bad.

 

 

From what I read you have 90 days after the passage of the Bill to turn in or destroy your bump stock , binary trigger device , crank or whatever.

After that it clearly states you are a criminal.

There is no registration or grandfathering that I see.

 

Also this bothers me;

 

"United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES."

 

What other purposes ?

[Adg105200]

Good point. There's nothing in the bill referencing stocks presently legally owned and their disposition. The language as written is bad.

The language is vague/written bad for a reason.

 

TSMGguy and others. If you haven't already, please watch this video. Same channel that featured Sandman.

 

 

Makes my blood boil.

 

Andrew

[johnson184]

It disturbs me that they have zero interest in including a grandfather clause. I dont think they will do an explicit ban on existing transferable machine guns, but I do fear an accidental ban by way of a blanket law outlawing guns with rapid fire capability. A local dealer told me he already listed and sold transferable machine guns for the first time from his private collection because he thinks its now just a matter of time before the Democrats regain control of the government.

 

I just recently bought my first machine gun before the Vegas shooting and have to wait out the agonizingly long form 4 transfer, but its certainly giving me pause from buying several more machine guns in the immediate future.

[emmagee1917]

Doesn't a magazine , any magazine , increase the rate of fire ? How about stripper clips or mag loading devices ? Better sights ? Smoother , lighter triggers ? Extended or ambidextrous safeties ? Muzzle brakes ?

 

And what right do they have to ban something legal and not pay the owner for his loss ?

Chris

[Skittorius]

I wonder if those 10/22 Gatling guns will make the cut.

Edited October 20, 2017 by Skittorius

[HHollow]

If the NRA caves you should expect a federal "speed limit" on semiauto rate of fire. How else?

 

With no speed limit I will be able to make my own model AR15xyz and declare that my factory (semiauto) rate of fire is 1000 rpm.

 

Thats why the NRA should not give an inch.

[The Lone Ranger]

You should beware of any term that is not defined. For an example, ask anyone who builds firearms for a living or any ATF employee to define "manufacturing". Congress did not define it, so it perpetually evolves.