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Hello everyone,

 

i wanted to share the special 1928a1 i have got today.

 

a couple of days ago i have found one ad regarding this deactivated 1928 with just one faded picture, i have noticed straight away by looking the buttstock / rear grip combo (not to mention the knurled controls)

 

that this wasnt just a standard 1928a1.

 

the seller wasnt capable of shooting a few pictures.. and so i went personally to grab the gun.

 

and nothing!! it turned out as expected, that its a half Thompson 1921 SN 9283!!! complete with all Colt internals, buttstock and rear grip with original hardware, matching buttplate!! i opened the buttstock hoping

 

there was its nickel oiler too.. but have been swapped with a late type m1a1 oiler.

 

its missing the no hole magazine catch. The stains you see here and there are caused by the excess of cosmoline on the parts.

 

Anyone is able to recover the history of this? how it landed in europe?

 

Who knows if out there, someone have the rest of it... maybe mixed on a 1928a1 lower.

 

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Sweet find!

 

I recommend letting the metal parts soak in a thinner to remove the cosmo.

 

Diamond in the rough: too cool.

 

Again, Congrats.

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If you set a hair dryer with the hot air blowing on a gun, the metal will become hot enough after a while to liquify cosmoline and you can wipe it right off

 

that thing is a headache, in a way its ok it give a certain degree of protection, but if i show you a picture of the trigger frame interior, you will have some real nightmares, you could literally pick it with a spoon.

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That is a Berthier sling swivel, and it's placement is characteristic of the Colt Thompsons ordered by the French government.

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If you set a hair dryer with the hot air blowing on a gun, the metal will become hot enough after a while to liquify cosmoline and you can wipe it right off

 

that thing is a headache, in a way its ok it give a certain degree of protection, but if i show you a picture of the trigger frame interior, you will have some real nightmares, you could literally pick it with a spoon.

 

meh, once a gun comes out of storage, I don't see any purpose served by leaving the cosmoline on

 

try heating the gun with the hair dryer, just leave it on the gun for a half hour until the metal stings your skin a little, the cosmo will get nice and runny

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I agree with Big Al. I thought at first NO 9283 may have been one of the 951 Colt manufactured Thompson guns purchased by the US Government in July 1939 since pictures of NO 9263 show the added US and A1 markings indicating a US Army Thompson gun. Of course, there is no way to determine receiver markings based only on a frame. However, the sling swivel on the butt stock helps us complete the story. The swivel is definitely from the French Berthier rifle and a very common addition to most/many/all of the 3000 Colt manufactured Thompson guns purchased by the French military in November 1939. This was the largest order of Thompson guns from the original 15,000 Colt's production run. These Thompson guns were delivered to France in 1940 before it surrendered to Germany. Most are believed to have been Model of 1921A's. The survival rate of these French Colt's is very low. Congratulations on finding half of one. Obviously, the parts of your Thompson gun were combined in some type of rebuild program. The butt stock would make an excellent display piece in the USA. I wish it was in my collection!

 

See David Albert's story on the Colt Thompsons in French Service in The Ultimate Thompson Book.

 

All good stuff!

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I checked Gordon Herigstads book, and SN 9283 is blank, no details.

 

So another to newly discovered 'part'1921, to add to the 'Gordons Quest' post?

 

Stay safe

 

Richard

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See David Albert's story on the Colt Thompsons in French Service in The Ultimate Thompson Book.

 

All good stuff!

It's also available online at Small Arms Review.

 

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1599

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This is something I have thought about a lot: how much politeness is appropriate in a given situation.

 

We all stand at the altar of stupidity and make a fool out of ourselves once in a while.

 

But when someone acts this ridiculous and malicious, then all obligation to be polite to the guy is gone.

 

Just give him the heave-ho and good riddance.

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Not sure where it came from but: "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

 

It's ok to disagree with someone else's opinions, but regarding the above post by scrambles, he was trying the opposite of being polite and I think that post should be removed as well as it does absolutely nothing to contribute to this topic.

 

I enjoy this forum to no end, but posts like that are just plain sad to see here.

 

Andrew

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Not sure where it came from but: "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

 

It's ok to disagree with someone else's opinions, but regarding the above post by scrambles, he was trying the opposite of being polite and I think that post should be removed as well as it does absolutely nothing to contribute to this topic.

 

I enjoy this forum to no end, but posts like that are just plain sad to see here.

 

Andrew

 

Andrew, well put

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Not sure where it came from but: "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

 

It's ok to disagree with someone else's opinions, but regarding the above post by scrambles, he was trying the opposite of being polite and I think that post should be removed as well as it does absolutely nothing to contribute to this topic.

 

I enjoy this forum to no end, but posts like that are just plain sad to see here.

 

Andrew

 

Report Scrambles to the moderator if you feel strongly about it, I did! Easy to do, just select 'Report' next to 'Multi quote' and 'Quote' at bottom of message..

 

Stay safe

Richard.

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Not sure where it came from but: "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

 

 

Andrew

 

I believe that was from a witty gentleman by the name of Samuel Langhorne Clemens, a.k.a. Mark Twain.

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My apologies, I missed this post by Scrambles when I was trying to read through everything in my limited time last night. His comments have been hidden, as they are inconsistent with board rules and general decorum.

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

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