richard w. Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Supposed to have belonged to Clyde Barrow. I've read the description several times and the povenance seems mighty thin. Would be intersted to hear others' opinions. http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/61/lid/1206?utm_source=2014-04-25+7+Days+Left+til+61&utm_campaign=2014-04-25++7+Days+Left&utm_medium=email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StooperZero Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Looks very clean for it's age. At least it didnt have a certificate of authenticity stating it as a "Gangsta Gun" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 a possible serial number has been welded it up. Bat Masterson was known to buy guns in a pawn shop and then sign a letter stating that he had carried the gun on is exploits. Not that I doubt RIA, but I doubt the Sherriff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Although I've heard of Clyde owning a Fitz Special, the date is wrong when they say they found the gun in a car driven by Clyde, May 6, 1930. He was locked up in the Middleton, Ohio jail since March 18, 1930, then was transferred to the Huntsville jail Sept 18, 1930 and later cut off his toes January 27, 1932 and was released from prison on crutches February 2, 1932-Then the famous Bonnie & Clyde saga began.This is extremely easy research, in most B&C books. It's all like this, but people keep buying these items. I've told this before, but Marie Barrow told me, " Half the State of Texas claims to be my kin " then chuckled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard w. Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 It's buried in that wall of text (can't they use paragraphs?), but the date for the sheriff finding the gun is some time after the car was impounded, and while CB was locked up. The claim is that he hadn't checked the glove compartment until that day, and the gun was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StooperZero Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 later cut off his toes so how did he walk around??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Two toes, to get out of work- All this is in a great book by a long time friend of mine, Jim Knight, Bonnie & Clyde a twenty century update. The 68 Beatty movie, shows this in the beginning, sorta. All the books address this. Marie said it was horrible, had to change the dressing all the time, no antibiotics , two toes cut off with an axe- Sulfer powder and hope. Huntsville, nice place. Clyde killed a guy for raping him. The story goes, he tossed the gun Bonnie had smuggled into him, into the Middleton ditch. I think there was even a dredging in the ditch to see if they could find the pistol, not to many year ago. Another Time Machine moment.... would I buy it- Nope, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostsoldier Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Two toes, to get out of work- Sheesh....I hate work, but not that much, lol. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yep, if you notice in old pictures of Clyde, he is always standing with the weight off one leg- He spent a lot of time in stocking feet as shoe(s) killed him.He was in socks when killed. Driving around for two years in a Ford, with two toes cut off and healing, I bet was fun. Maybe that's why he was so mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecolote Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Texas Ranger "Lone Wolf" Gonzaullas reportedly claimed the gun was stolen from him while he was working the East Texas oil field cases. A Bing image search turned up a B&W photo of the gun (or its twin) from his biography. Gonzaullas did have a pair of Colt Govenment model .45 with the triggerguards cutaway, so that "fitzed" Army Special might well have been his. Personally, I'd prefer proof of that connection rather than one to Clyde. I do have an Army Special that's been snubbed and nickeled,but not "Fitzed";it's alot of fun to shoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) I could get a notarized letter saying that my 1969 S&W Model 27 was the personal property of John Wayne. I got it from an estate sale in Pennsylvania and John Wayne was never within 1000 miles of the gun. But I can still get a notary to stamp a letter claiming it was his. "Buy the gun, not the (notarized) story." I don't see anything in that wall of text that puts the gun in Barrow's hand anyway. Edited July 26, 2014 by buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I sorta agree here, I usually tried to get a letter from the outlaw family, THAT was then notarized. I think the letter would be enough tho. Sometime just the plan obvious is all you need, or circumstantial evidence. It's hard in the outlaw collection. i.e the Dillinger 1933 Essex- Had people ask if I had a signed title from John Dillinger himself. Of course not. No different then the Bonnie & Clyde death car, no title from Clyde either. I've got burned on " claims" , but was best you could get at the time. A big dose of logic helps along with good research.Some of this stuff is just plain stupid, like Wayne's gun or the Dillinger guns......etc. That's why I'm out of the collecting world on this stuff. Crazy anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostsoldier Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I bet if I look hard enough on eBay, I can find Clyde's authentic, severed toes for sale. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Haaaaaaaa, Rob- I bet you could and maybe a notarized letter from Bonnie about it .BTW, I have Clyde's toenail if interested.................pricey AND comes with a authentic letter of authenticity. FRAMED too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostsoldier Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Sandy, we could be the "Dillinger and Clyde" of eBay! Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I think that's already been taken, by many, many others on Ebay. However, between the two of us, with our props, can make things look real good .Gorilla Marketing you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 What did the gun sell for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) No clue - (Need to edit this a bit, in response to Rob.... post # 15, sorry) I have a small box of stuff, that belonged to Billie Frechette. Gave a Billie pen, from this, to author Ellen Poulsen to sign books with... Pretty cool thing to do.Lots of gambling stuff, seems Billie was a " clepto" . This is 1940s- 1950s stuff. Nothing during the Dillinger Days.. Came out of Chicago, from her nephew. OCM Edited August 2, 2014 by OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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