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 Feb 16 2010, 10:44 AM
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Website Owner  Group: Admin Posts: 1,227 Joined: 26-June 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 1,113  |
All,
I want to start a U.S. Combat Shotgun reference section for the new board, and I put together the list below for the WWI and later combat shotguns that I'd like to include. If I've missed anything, please let me know. I'm also soliciting pictures of member shotguns to include in the reference section. If your picture is used, I will list a photo credit below your picture with your screen name. WWI Winchester Model 97 Winchester Model 12 Remington Model 10 Remington Model 11 WWII Winchester Model 97 Winchester Model 12 Remington Model 11 Remington Model 31 Ithaca Model 37 Stevens Model 520-30 Stevens Model 620 Savage Model 720 Vietnam War Most WWII era shotguns listed above also saw service in Vietnam Stevens Model 67 Stevens Model 77E Remington Model 870 Winchester Model 1200 Post-Vietnam Mossberg Model 590 M1014 Benellli Lightweight Shotgun System Feel free to post your picture in this thread, or send it to me at my e-mail address below, if you would like it included. Thanks! David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Feb 16 2010, 12:32 PM
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Website Owner Group: Admin Posts: 1,227 Joined: 26-June 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 1,113 |
Here are some pictures of my WWII era U.S. Combat Shotguns:
Stevens Model 520-30 Riot Gun (This is actually a trench model, with the cutouts below the front of the barrel to attach the shroud, but it is missing the shroud) Stevens Model 620-A Riot Gun Winchester Model 97 Trench Gun (IMG:http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/3Guns_Web.JPG) Military Markings: (IMG:http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/3GunsMarkings_Web.JPG) Another picture of the M97: (IMG:http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/M97-1_Web.JPG) I also have a military Remington Model 11 that I'm building..I have the receiver, barrel, trigger guard, and some internal parts, but am still looking for a military stock and other internals. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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 Feb 16 2010, 03:33 PM
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New Member  Group: Regular Group Posts: 12 Joined: 30-August 07 From: WILLOW GROVE NAS Member No.: 3,554 |
Another picture of the M97: (IMG:http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/M97-1_Web.JPG) David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com Beautiful examples of combat shotties, Dalbert !! I particularily like the M97 trench gun...do you have a bayo for it ? Also would like to know the ballpark prices for one ( I understand it's all about condition ) As I see them from time to time at gun shows here in PA... Thanks |
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Feb 16 2010, 04:30 PM
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Website Owner Group: Admin Posts: 1,227 Joined: 26-June 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 1,113 |
QUOTE (Gunnutz13 @ Feb 16 2010, 03:33 PM)  Another picture of the M97: (IMG:http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/M97-1_Web.JPG) David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com Beautiful examples of combat shotties, Dalbert !! I particularily like the M97 trench gun...do you have a bayo for it ? Also would like to know the ballpark prices for one ( I understand it's all about condition ) As I see them from time to time at gun shows here in PA... Thanks Gunnutz13, Thanks! Yes, I have a bayonet for the M97. I need to take a better picture, but here's a quick shot I took a while back with the bayo attached. (IMG:http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Misc/Winchester97wBayo.JPG) Model 97's can range in price dramatically. A non-military Model 97 beater gun might be as low as $200. A military marked trench gun with the correct shroud is probably going to start around $1500, and some really nice ones may be $3K+. Be sure to know what you're buying prior to jumping in. I recommend getting Bruce Canfield's excellent book, published by Mowbray Publishing, titled "Bruce N. Canfield's Complete Guide to United States Military Combat Shotguns," which has collector notes in it. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Feb 16 2010, 11:21 PM
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Regular Member Group: Regular Group Posts: 131 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Ponca City, Oklahoma Member No.: 173 |
Oh My!! Got to get a bayonet for my '97!!! That would definetly clear me out of a trench!!
Dalbert: I cant tell by the pic. Is that a leather sling? This post has been edited by Greg: Feb 16 2010, 11:23 PM |
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Feb 17 2010, 06:34 PM
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Website Owner Group: Admin Posts: 1,227 Joined: 26-June 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 1,113 |
QUOTE (Greg @ Feb 16 2010, 11:21 PM) Oh My!! Got to get a bayonet for my '97!!! That would definetly clear me out of a trench!! Dalbert: I cant tell by the pic. Is that a leather sling? Greg, Yes, it's a leather M1907 unmarked repro sling that is on the M97 currently. I have an original M1907 sling, but it's on my M1903-A3 at the moment. I need to get another one for the M97. David Albert dalbert@sturmgwehr.com |
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Feb 19 2010, 02:23 PM
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New Member Group: Regular Group Posts: 12 Joined: 30-August 07 From: WILLOW GROVE NAS Member No.: 3,554 |
(IMG:http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Misc/Winchester97wBayo.JPG) Model 97's can range in price dramatically. A non-military Model 97 beater gun might be as low as $200. A military marked trench gun with the correct shroud is probably going to start around $1500, and some really nice ones may be $3K+. Be sure to know what you're buying prior to jumping in. I recommend getting Bruce Canfield's excellent book, published by Mowbray Publishing, titled "Bruce N. Canfield's Complete Guide to United States Military Combat Shotguns," which has collector notes in it.[font="Impact"][/font] David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com Now, that's what I'm talkin' about...!! Thanks for the info dalbert...I'll see about that book before I buy |
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Jul 6 2010, 10:58 AM
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New Member  Group: Board Donor Posts: 11 Joined: 5-July 10 From: Avon, IN Member No.: 60,295 |
I am new to this site and this is my first post.
Can anyone tell me when the 97 was taken out of service. I carried one in Korea 1972. Complete with heat shield and bayonet lug. It never really occurred to me how old it was even then. As K-9 we normally carried the GAU 5, but when working the POL (fuel storage tank farm) we carried a shot gun. Thanks Mark |
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Jul 6 2010, 05:04 PM
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Website Owner Group: Admin Posts: 1,227 Joined: 26-June 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 1,113 |
QUOTE (Mark Michael @ Jul 6 2010, 11:58 AM) I am new to this site and this is my first post. Can anyone tell me when the 97 was taken out of service. I carried one in Korea 1972. Complete with heat shield and bayonet lug. It never really occurred to me how old it was even then. As K-9 we normally carried the GAU 5, but when working the POL (fuel storage tank farm) we carried a shot gun. Thanks Mark Mark, Welcome to the board, and thanks for posting here! I don't know when the Model 1897 was officially phased out. Shotguns being what they are, the technology hasn't changed all that much, and I'm not surprised that you used a '97 in service in 1972. I know that shotguns are commonly used on nuclear submarines to guard the sensitive areas of the sub, and a friend of mine that served in that role told me he saw many different shotguns, and used them himself, as well as a Thompson he used in that role in the early 1990's. The good weapons seem to live on... David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Jul 16 2010, 02:37 PM
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Member Group: Regular Group Posts: 69 Joined: 18-February 04 Member No.: 772 |
It's not really an answer to the original question, but as another data point concerning early-model combat shotgun usage, a friend who was in the 101st in the first Gulf War told me that he carried a Model 12 trench gun in that one. (He was in the 326th Airborne Engineers.)
Joel |
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Jul 16 2010, 08:15 PM
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Website Owner Group: Admin Posts: 1,227 Joined: 26-June 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 1,113 |
QUOTE (rjb1 @ Jul 16 2010, 03:37 PM) It's not really an answer to the original question, but as another data point concerning early-model combat shotgun usage, a friend who was in the 101st in the first Gulf War told me that he carried a Model 12 trench gun in that one. (He was in the 326th Airborne Engineers.) Joel Joel, That's another great example of extended service... Thanks! David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Jul 18 2010, 04:49 PM
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RKI Member Group: Regular Group Posts: 327 Joined: 30-March 09 Member No.: 15,598 |
David:
I don't know if this is of any use to you but it gives a definite place and time for shotgun deployment in an unusual area. These documents are from my files. For the youngsters here: Linda Darnell was a famous actress from this period. Jim (IMG:http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd17/italiansport/2010_0718AC44P380010.jpg) (IMG:http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd17/italiansport/2010_0718AC44P380014.jpg) This post has been edited by james m: Jul 18 2010, 05:53 PM |
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