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#1 LIONHART

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Posted 23 January 2004 - 01:56 PM

Hello everyone.Thought I'd share. Guns in the photo left to right include: Colt 1917, Colt 1911, S&W 1889 Model, and of course the Colt 1921AC Thompson Submachine Gun with Case, and Drum.

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Posted 23 January 2004 - 05:52 PM

Very cool.
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 06:50 PM

Guns, kool. Car, tell us more.
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 07:03 PM

Very nice Picture and Display.

Enjoy your Guns,
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 07:44 PM

I'm kinda like'n the Indiana tag on the car!!! smile.gif Corn, beans and a little history. wink.gif


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Posted 23 January 2004 - 08:00 PM

Thanks for sharing that Devlin! biggrin.gif tongue.gif cool.gif Regards, Walter

P.S. I, too, would like to know more about the car.
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 08:30 PM

Looks like a 31 Chevrolet ?
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Posted 23 January 2004 - 10:28 PM

Oh my God, I just noticed that original Colt has white lettering!! ohmy.gif Holy crap Batman!








I'm off to the corner Chris. sad.gif
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 04:16 PM

I don't know much about the photo, other than it was owned by William Shaw who ran with the Dillinger Gang for a short while. In fact I purchased a large collection containing over 50 B&W Photos, all of which Mr. Shaw had written on the back of each and every one. Indeed, the photo does show White Paint in the letters of that Colt. At the moment, I'm unaware of when the photo was taken.
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 08:11 PM

It does appear to be a staged photo attempting to recreate a 1934 period. If you look at the reflection in the right front fender, you see a girl with a decidedly non 30's hairstyle. Probably circa 1970's?
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 08:25 PM

Arthur, William Shaw was alive in the 1970's. This photo is probably from that time period. I have numerous other documents and photos of Shaw holding Thompsons that are dated from the 70's. Ron, no this time around the lettering isn't a reflection. It is painted. Perhaps your correct. Something that was done in the sixties!
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 09:21 PM

Don't get me wrong, I like the pic. But I don't see a Colt 1917. The frame looks too small. admitedly I can't see the butt of the frame or the end of the ejector rod.

I have a photo of a Colt 1917, 1911, and a Official Police .38, but Nick hasn't restored the easy posting option yet so I can't show it, but will E-mail it to anyone who wants to see and compare. Sorry to nit pick


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Posted 24 January 2004 - 09:38 PM

Bisely45, I only wrote here what was written on back of the photo, stating the Firearms in the Pic. But it appears to me to be a Colt 1917.
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 09:52 PM

Lionheart,

e-mail me and I'll send you the photo I took and was going to post. You'll see what I mean. The Colt revolver is all out of proportion to be a Colt 1917, and the gun has medailion in its grips. Not sure if the few comercial 17's had medailions or not but 100% certian all Military 17 did NOT

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 09:53 PM

Bisely45, email me at: tsmg21a@aol.com
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 10:04 PM

Bisely45, even though I don't own my 1917 anymore, I have to say, that I'm pretty positive that this Gun is a Colt 1917. Perhaps it is a Commercial Model due to the Grips, but these Guns were produced from 1917-1945. I'm sure many variations exist.
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 10:15 PM

Bisely45, thanks for the photo you emailed me. Your Gun is almost identical to the one in the photo I posted here. The only thing I noticed is, your Ejector Rod appears shorter. Hope this helps!
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 10:28 PM

You guys have better eyes for style that I do, I thought the girl was a classic “flapper”.

Whatever. Great photo and boy, would I like to have that box and its contents!

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 10:28 PM

It is NOT a Colt 17, it's a .38

The 1989 Smith, in the above photo, that would become the M&P cylider and frame are aproxamately the same size copared to the colt revolver in same photograph. On the right side of any 17 or New Service should be three pins. There is but one visable, and it looks like a screw.
Look at the cilider of the Colt. There are long shallow cuts on the outside and a second set of locking notches on the inside. The Colt 1917 only has one set of notches. I belive the revolver is a Colt 1894. This is the odd ball that has a right sideplate and the cilinder revolves backwards like a S&W. I don't have one of these to take a photo of an show you, but here are two clear pics you might have to look at and compare.

Feb 2nd 2004 shot gun news page 13, article on the River rats, good pic of left hand side, notice cilinder with funny double notches.

May 1997 American Rifleman page 35, article on US military revolvers has a good right hand view, on the facing page it has view of right had of a colt 17 which looks nothing like the revolver in the photograph with the Thompson.

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 10:39 PM

Bisely45, There are two screws and one pin present above the Trigger Guard. The shallow cuts are only on the outside, none in the inside of the Cylinder. I'm still convinced that this is a Colt 1917.
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