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#1 John Jr

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Posted 26 January 2004 - 10:50 PM

I have looked thru the books, but can't find this in there anywhere. Could have missed it.

Under the Lyman adjustable sight in the receiver body, I found a GEG inspector stamp. Also found an "E" more towards the back of the receiver that looks like the "E" on the sling on the vertical foregrip. The "E" is supposed to be from Enfield as my gun is Brit proofed and the slings they used were from Enfield rifles, but never heard of George E. Golls stamp IN the receiver. Is this normal, and if anyone else owns a Savage 28, could you look at yours and see if its there on yours too? Thanks.

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Posted 26 January 2004 - 11:48 PM

What do you mean, "under the Lyman sight"? Did you remove the Lyman?

I have a Brit-marked 28A1 (sn S-349851) with no such markings. But like it says in "American Thunder", the Brits were pretty inconsistent in markings.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 12:33 AM

I should have been more clear. I am under the weather a bit so that might explain it.

Remove the internals. IN the receiver UNDER the Lyman sight is the marking. Where the buffer pilot rod is.

Check there.

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 04:00 AM

John Jr,

I took my Brit-marked Savage 1928 (S-245XX) apart, no sign of Mr. Goll inside. No "E" either. My gun has only one encircled GEG stamp, on the left side of the receiver just outside the chamber.

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 08:18 AM

I checked, John Jr, and no such markings on mine (described above). Yours sounds cool! Congratulations: now you can add "rare markings" to the description should you ever want to sell it!

I wonder if, more than 60 years ago, whoever stamped yours gave a little mishievous smirk and thought, "Let them try to figure THIS one out!"
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 09:07 AM

I wonder too, I will take a picture of this if I can remember to bring the camera home and will let you see it for your own eyes.

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 09:46 AM

JohnJr,...my Savage is similar to Balder`s,.. S-24169,Brit proofed on right front of reciever with arrow over crown over inspector code over `E`,GEG in a circle on left side behind ejector.The butt stock has been filled in where the rear swivel used to be, like the Brits were prone to do,hope this helps,out.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 11:33 PM

Gonna try for pictures now. Please forgive me that they are so large, this was the only way I could get them to come out.

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This is the best picture I have of the GEG stamping. I took over 20 pictures and this was the best one.

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This was the next best one.

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Here is the "E"

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This is the whole area.

Again, sorry for the picture sizes, but its the only way these would come out.

NOW FOR THE INTERESTING PART! I also looked at the GEG on the EXTERIOR of the receiver and took a picture of it to compair. The GEG is a bit different. The "G" on both ends are a bit smaller on the interior marking than the exterior. I have no precision measuring instruments, so sorry on that one.

Have a look:

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Anyone have any ideas about this find?

John Jr.

(PS: my old DIAL UP ISP is hosting these pictures and does not know it! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif )
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:01 AM

John Jr, From the looks of it, I get the impression that there is more than 1 GEG stamp in there or at least the outer part of the stamp-the circular outer part? At first, I was thinking that the other circular markings where left from the end-mill that was cutting the pocket for the breach oiler. But in closer examination, it appears that the circles are stamped, not cut, as they don't appear to be in a pattern that is commonly produced by an end-mill. So, was the person that stamped your receiver with the GEG stamp "trying it out" to get the hang of using it or?
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:02 AM

This was a common practise. Goll, a quality inspector employed by Auto-Ord, routinely stamped his initials inside (as well as outside) Savage receivers before allowing assembly of Thompson's with Stevens and Savage parts.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:07 AM

Where did you find this information Arthur? None of the others that have posted have this, and Frank's book says that all Savage Thompsons are GEG marked.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 10:53 AM

Hi John,

Maybe the inspector that day tried the stamp in an inconspicuous location before stamping the outside of the receiver. The other thought is maybe the receiver was sent back initially for additional machine work and the stamp was placed in the area that neeeded work. Who knows? There are probably other examples of Savage guns that have the GEG stamp in places other than the normal locations on the outside of the receiver and bottom of the grip frame.

The important thing is your Savage gun has the proper GEG inspection stamps.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 11:08 AM

I wonder if Frank could reply, or perhaps Doug Richardson, I bet they have seen this before.

The strange thing is the size of the G's are different on the inside stamp than the outside stamp.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 11:28 AM

JohnJr,...I tend to go along with the previous posts,...mine has the circles in the same location, but no initials and the foregrip rail is a Stevens part.I thought the circles were end mill tracks...where the machinist let the mill come to a stop while still engaged to the receiver.HTH. out.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:15 PM

John Jr.,

Since George E. Goll didn't personally inspect every gun I'm sure there were several GEG stamps made for the persons authorized to inspect the parts along the manufacturing process. If the inpsection marks on you gun were done at different stages of manufacture, that would account for the slight variations in the inspection stamps. They were made at different times and used by different inspectors.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:29 PM

I still wonder about the"E" marking.

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