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#1 John Jr

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 09:14 AM

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WTS 28A1 SAVAGE THOMPSON

Posted By: MIKE ADDISS (CPE-24-26-168-130.mn.rr.com)
Date: 1/26/04 15:24

28 A1 SAVAGE THOMPSON. REPARKERISED(OVER 20 YEARS AGO). PARKERISING HAS A NICE PATINA. OLD P.D. GUN."VILLAGE OF LIBERTY" STICKER ON STOCK. BELIEVE GUN HAS 21 WOOD ON IT. VERTICAL FOREGRIP. FINNED BARRELL. ADJUSTABLE LYMAN SITE.SERIAL NUMBER IS 15043. GUN IN VG CONDITION. PRICE IS $13,500. PLUS SHIPPING. COMPUTOR ON FRITZ,PLEASE CALL WITH ANY QUESTIONS. MIKE 612-866-1602 (MN.) THIS IS A C&R GUN.


If I was looking for one, I would buy this one.

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 09:18 AM

I have been trying to get Mike to call or email me for 3 weeks now. Nothing. I may try to give him a call again today.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 11:24 AM

Hmmmm, this is weird. As far as I know Savage started their serial number range at S-15041, Colt's last one in 1922 was 15040. If the SN on this gun is correct (it doesn't say S-15043 like it should if it's a Savage) and it really is a Savage, then it is actually the third Thompson gun made by Savage. That would make it a straight M1928, not an A1. Something in that ad has got to be wrong.

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 01:12 PM

Balder,

The gun is a straight Model of 1928. The US and A1 appear to have been added later. The stamping and font appears different to me. This would have been done by US military armorers when they standardized the gun as US Model of 1928A1.

It is an interesting gun, but obviously has been rebuilt. Still a nice example, though.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 09:06 PM

Do one of you gents have the link to that one? Gotta see this. Thanks!
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 09:36 PM

Does anyone know if this Savage Thompson has a New York address or a Bridgeport address on the receiver.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 09:57 PM

I'd like to see that one also. It would have to be NY,NY with that serial number.

I don't want to start a war here but are we sure that Savage started with S15041? I have never seen that documented anywhere and several noted figures I have asked indicated S1 as the first. Because there is an S in the serial number the Colt SNs would not have been repeated. I don't know.

Any thoughts?
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 11:06 PM

Bug,
The only Savage TSMG with the serial # S1 is the experimental 9mm prototype. Since the Commercial Savage TSMG's did start with serial number 15041, it doesn't seem likely that 15,040 Savage guns came before the "Commercial" Savage Thompson. If there exist lower serial numbers for these guns, what designation would they have, and more importantly, where have they been?

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:30 AM

It should have the New York address and 12 patent dates, not numbers, on the right side of the receiver.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 07:22 AM

Balder is correct. The gun would have a New York, N.Y. address on the right side of the receiver. The gun also does have the Savage "S" prefix in front of the serial number. You just have to look hard for it. I'll try to post a link for it soon.

Here is a picture of the gun from the ad:

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#11 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:41 PM

G.I.,
Where did you find a pic of this gun? The guy's ad on the NFA board does not show one. Looking at this photo, I think the guy left off a serial number at the end. This must be 150,430, not 15,043. Or this thing went through more rebuilds than a Chevy Malibu carburetor.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:53 PM

Arthur,

The original ad is on Subguns.com. It was there for a couple of weeks before he put it on Sturmgewehr. There are two other pictures available on Subguns.com. I agree, the gun has undergone several rebuilds. Hard to tell if the serial number on the receiver has been altered. Look closely, the US and A1 are retro-stamped on the gun. The Army did place some large orders in 1940 and this gun could have gone to them if that is the original number on the gun. I concur with your thought that the gun might be in the 150,000 range, though. It's hard to tell from the photo.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:27 PM

the guy lives somewhat by me. don't know where exactly, but i live in the Northern part of the Twin Cities and he lives somewhere in the Twin Cities as well.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 03:15 PM

Craig101, try to contact him. I've had no such luck. If he's close check out the numbers thing for us.
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Posted 29 January 2004 - 07:37 PM

I spoke with Mike Addiss today. The gun definitely is 15043, with the upper and lower having the same s/n.
What makes this weird, is the "3" on the upper s/n is stamped backwards!
Mike thinks this made the upper (and whole gun?) rejected. He thinks it sat a while until being fitted with the "current" pin type levers, etc. and sold to a PD (has a tag on it that says "Village of Liberty").
Since the upper and lower have the same ( I assume the lower number 3 is not stamped backwards), this implies the gun could be returned to original condition.
It sounds like it was buffed a bit before being re-parked (why?? It originally didn't have parkerizing) about 20 yrs ago, and reading some of the patent stampings is difficult.
I will ask him if it has a NY,NY stamp and if the patent info is dates or numbers. This may help clear it up.
What should all of the rest of the parts have stamped on them? I assume it should be a "S" not squared, for Savage. If it was an early Savage, how likely was it that they robbed the Colt parts bin? And just what is in it I do not yet now.
I may be getting pictures later. Will post if I do
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Posted 29 January 2004 - 08:32 PM

How did Mr. Addiss ad forget to mention that the 3 in the serial number was stamped backwards?..... It could have square "S's" for Stevens on parts, as well as the Savage "S". Now that this appears to be some sort of a reject gun, the waters are a bit muddy. If this was the 15043 that was stampd correctly, or maybe even incorrectly, it would have had a bunch of Colt parts in it. But it's value as a "commercial" Savage has been compromised with the parkerizing. Still, this is a neat find. Strange he hasn't found a buyer yet...Pics would be way cool!!!
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Posted 29 January 2004 - 09:09 PM

Arthur,

I'm not so sure that a backwards 3 on a gun would have made it past the inspectors. It sounds to me like maybe an incorrectly stamped 8? I don't believe the numbers were stamped by hand, so an early roll die, if the serial number is correct ,shouldn't have worn out that early in the production run, would it? I wonder if the serial number has been altered? Puzzling...........still is an interesting gun, though
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Posted 29 January 2004 - 09:26 PM

G.I.,
Yes, of course. That is why the serial numbers on Colt's look sharp, but the 28 Navy stamps look out of place. How could there be a problem with the markings on one of the first three 1928 Savage production run guns?..Well, I guess this could be looked at two ways: either there was a problem with the markings on the first few serial numbers, or there was an abberation right away with this gun's markings, and since the three was legible, they passed it...But without seeing this gun close-up, it is just a frustrating supposition.

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 08:13 AM

I have 3 additional pics of this gun from the seller.

The first is the right side of the upper, and it shows the S-15043 clearly. There is also a "shadow" of a NO... in the background, like another number was there prior!

Email me for the ipcs, I can't figure out how to add them anymore!

The second one shows the lower, it is clearly 15043.

The right side of the reciever is not shown clearly in any of them, and I requested a beter one of it. But, it appears there are an odd number of patent marks since I see two columns and one more entered below the two columns (I think they are numbers, and not dates). You can't make out the address of Auto-Ordnance either, but there are a lot of characters there, more like Bridgeport, Conn rather than Ny, Ny.

If it does have numbers numbers and a Bport address, what the heck is it?? blink.gif
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 08:42 AM

Just got the pic with the patents - they are numbers!

I am wondering if someone made this upper match a lower they had......


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