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#21 gijive

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 08:47 AM

Mike,

"What the heck is it?": A restamped receiver to make it appear more attractive to a buyer. An original Savage gun with a serial number that low would have a New York address on the right side of the receiver. I just looked at the pictures on Subguns.com again and I don't know why I didn't notice this earlier, the Auto-Ordnance engraving and the patent date numbers are in the position of a Bridgeport, CT marked receiver. An early Savage gun with a serial number in that range would have the A.O. New York address at the rear of the receiver and the patent dates nearer the ejection port like the Colt Thompson receivers. The position of the stampings indicates a later made Bridgeport, CT stamped gun, so the serial number on the gun has to have been altered. This also explains the "reasonable" price for the gun.
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 09:08 AM

The ejector, safety and rocker pivot are not correct for such an early Savage. I'm not 100% sure about the magazine catch but I believe it should not have a hole.

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 11:21 AM

Thanks guys. I agree this is a restamped reciever. Questionable if it may have been rewatted at one time. Pictures won't show this.

As you know, I am looking for a shooter 1928. This may be a good one for that purpose.

Question - maybe Tman will know - is since this is in Minn on a form 3 (?? I thought they only had C&Rs there!) will there ever be any trouble with me putting it on a form 4 for a C&R in Mich?? If it is a rewat is it an OK C&R gun?? I want to CYA before I buy something that I can't keep! ph34r.gif


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#24 gijive

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 11:32 AM

Mike,

A C&R Thompson is any Thompson made before 1945, which all WWII ones are. If the receiver was a legally registered Dewat, it shouldn't be a problem, as far as I know.

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 01:30 PM

Ron,
If this Savage TSMG was indeed serial number 15043, it would indeed have been a significant find, if not a "rare" find. If the info we have is only from the ad, previous to seeing any photos, then what are we to assume? Now that the air is out of the balloon on this particular gun, we look forward to the next false alarm.

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 03:46 PM

I am buying it. I hope.... biggrin.gif
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE (giantpanda4 @ Jan 30 2004, 03:46 PM)
I am buying it. I hope.... biggrin.gif

go with GOD...and the general.............have fun,and shoot the heck out of it..............take care,ron /colt21a
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 08:15 PM

Giantpanda4,
Given the suspicious nature of the markings and how the real NO. S-15043 would be a great find and potentially valuable gun, I would be real careful of this one. I would guess someone chose that serial number for a reason and every reason I can think of would be bad for an uninformed buyer. I do not mean to infer anything against the current owner because it is not being represented as an early Savage Thompson or (over) priced as a rare Thompson. I too noticed this Thompson right off (because of the serial number) and wondered about the "reasonable price." It has been for sale for quite some time. If possible, it may be worth attempting to trace back the history of this particular Thompson. The current owner should know where he obtained it (and when) and could get you started in the right direction. I would also check it very carefully for re-watting - not that a re-wat is bad, but it is something you certainly would want to know up front. If the only thing that has been done to it is the restamping of some of the numbers, you may have just found a great shooter at a great price. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. Tom
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 08:48 PM

Thanks for the advice guys.
I have been assured this is not a welded up gun. We all know the s/n was modified, seller says ay least 20 years ago. It was reparked then. He sold it a long time ago, and is now "out of the business". But then the previous buyer wanted to sell this gun, so the seller bought it back. No he wants to sell it again... so goes the story.
Price ended up at $12.5K. Hopefully it will be as described, and in about 4 months or so I will finally get it! biggrin.gif

Patience.....
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Posted 30 January 2004 - 10:16 PM

Excellent purchase!

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