Display Receivers

[Paladin601]

Hi, new to this forum and Thompsons. Been looking at the display Receivers (Richardson and Phil ord)/ Which is the better of the two? Accuracy of appearance, and machining?

 

Thanks

[Gio]

I don't think you couldn't go wrong with either one. I have a Phil Ord. and it worked out fine. All parts that I have gotten from Doug are first class .

 

One thing Phil Ord. will do is stamp the serial # that you want and I don't think Doug will do this service.

 

You just need to check into both and select the one that best suites your needs.

 

Good luck,

 

Frank

[AlexanderA]

Richardson's receivers have a reputation of being a little better. However, if you order one from him, you may have to wait forever. Phil Ord delivers a bit more promptly. (Note: Richardson says that he has certain "Display" receivers (as opposed to "Ultimax" receivers) in stock for immediate delivery. Call him.)

 

One thing to note is that the markings on either of them are more apropos of Savage manufacture than of A.O. manufacture. If you're that nitpicky, you might want to have the serial number engraved locally (which you have to do anyway regarding Richardson's product).

[reconbob]

I welcome any comparison of Phila Ord and Richardson receivers. Both receivers are high

quality, so certainly if anything it would be a tie as to whether one is better than the other. It really

is a matter of preference regarding minor details and method of manufacture. If you

have any specific reason pertaining to quality, strength, fit, or finish that makes a Richardson receiver

"a little bit better" I will be glad to address it.

At this time delivery of a Phila Ord receiver is running about 5-6 weeks.

I will also add that I routinely take receivers from my 80% production line and finish machine

them to 100% and provide working, shooting guns to police departments, Class 3 dealers,

and Class 2 manufacturers. In doing so I am always checking the accuracy and correctness of my

work - a little different than making display receivers which are never finished into guns.

 

Bob Bower/Phila Ord

[Paladin601]

Bob,

 

What is the difference in manufacturing? I know you both use a different steel, your being 4140 and Richardson using 1141. You do appear to offer more, Serial number engraving, finish machining into a complete rec. They are both CNC machined, right?

[Doug Richardson]

Posted mkw

I too would welcome a 3rd party evaluation of my receivers against anything else available. Regarding receiver material, I use 1141 alloy. That is what Auto-Ordnance and Savage used during WW2. I do not have any kind of a license any more because I got fed up with the Govt's Bureaucratic meddling. However, I worked for years under the license of a movie studio gun supply company and manufactured working receivers/guns under their license. So I am adequately experienced in making working guns out of my receivers. For those skeptics I make this offer. Buy one of my receivers and one of any one else's. If you don't think that my receiver is the best there is, return it to me and I will pay the shipping both ways. Since no one has returned any product of mine in 68 years for dissatisfaction, I don't think I will get a receiver back. I have every style of receiver I offer in stock except for 1928 Ultimax. I believe I will have all receiver backorders filled this year. I do offer serial numbers on my Colt receivers using the original Colt fonts which I had digitized.

[reconbob]

The alloy used to make receivers is a good example of what I am refering to as a

manufacturing "preference". I know of no steel supplier offering 1141 alloy. It is a steel

of yesterday that was - 75+ years ago - considered a "free machining"

steel because the presence of sulfur in the crystaline structure of the steel caused the

chips made by the cutting process to break off in small pieces which makes for better, easier

machining and longer tool life. 1141 is not a particularly strong or tough steel.

4140 steel is a widely used, widely available alloy that is popular because of its, strength,

toughness, machinability, and ability to be heat treated. It is one of the most widely used

steels in the gun industry.

So is an 1141 receiver "better" than a 4140 receiver? 1141 is not stronger and is not

tougher than 4140. So, its a matter of preference...

 

Bob