Colt Frame Markings?

[Arthur Fliegenheimer]

Anyone ever see on a Colt frame underneath where the rear grip mounts on top of the raised mounting rail a letter "Z" ,(when read with the frame turned north/south), and a tiny "M' on the flat area ?

[colt21a]

yes i have and a c-stamp and a u like stamp on the inside of receiver's..up around the lyman sight in back.when you turn it upside down look into it with a flashlight with the felt oilers removed.some had a slight stamp mark on inside.{near the rivets}

 

and some have a stamp on the side of the rear metal grip mount.{the rear grip has to be off..duh!!}

 

and one marked bolt with british proofs and a c on serial #98....................

 

oh !wait! i am supposed to give out only respected info........ .this is for r.k.i. only .....................ron

 

arthur you are not supposed to find those secret machinist colt mark's......

[Arthur Fliegenheimer]

Ron,

Also seen a "J" marked on inside bottom of Colt nickel bolts, a diamond shape mark inside the slot where the Blish lock sits on 2-piece Navy actuators, and a cirle with perhaps an "8" touching the circle (not to be confused with a flaming bomb ordnance mark) on the inside bottom of the receiver along with another tiny "Z" in the same area.

[colt21a]

yes these are the secret colt code's..only those that know the secret handshake and practice white magic......have good juju..............and don't practice the dark art's of "Thompson Greed"

 

can find them...........THE MIND BOGGLE'S the thing 1951

 

ron

[21 smoker]

Arthur, Ron,..

I just took my 21 for a little spin at my clubs mg shoot...and upon removing the rear grip I found a small `k` the raised area... nothing else these worn out eyes can find on the frame...and under the Lyman a `p`...FWIW,out. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

[Arthur Fliegenheimer]

Ron,

Apparently these markings were thought to be classified information by Cox, Hill, Eye-Anna-Me-Co and any other authority who published a book, since they all neglected to mention them, or even look for them.

[colt21a]

QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Feb 29 2004, 08:09 PM)

Ron, Apparently these markings were thought to be classified information by Cox, Hill, Eye-Anna-Me-Co and any other authority who published a book, since they all neglected to mention them, or even look for them.

FUNNY thing when i did my colt thompson grading guide i did............however nobody would buy it.............

 

but whats a young new whipper snapper like me know about these things anyhow.............there are sooooo!!!!! many more expert thompson aflectionaaado's out there........

 

and i like to sit back and learn from them..............its a big thompson world..................

 

heck i was lucky enough to sell 1,000 copies of QUOTABLE AL CAPONE...............................

 

well back to my cave...............kirby just loaded up the bar and little john is runnin around with his garand..........and saunder's can't find anymore mags in his jacket pocket.....{did he ever carry a mag pouch???}wink! ron

[aut-ord-co]

Arthur, Ron, 21Smoker...

After I read your posts had to take a quick look. Found inside the receiver almost between the two rear rivets a "Z" and a smaller "F". When Ron said machinist's marks I thought of an older magazine that I have that has a story about "The Men of Hartford". Maybe you both have seen it already.

 

The story is from 1948 about the Colt plant. Several of the craftsmen had been there since 1906, 1911 and 1914, etc. They're shown working on the .45 auto and the Colt Woodsman. But possibly, when they were younger, some may have worked on a certain run of 15,000 Thompsons. No way to prove this but here are the names. The younger employees are not listed.

 

Thomas Shicko - barrel specialist, polisher - started just after WWI.

Paul Strubell - profile machine - started in 1911.

Jake Klinger - barrel drilling - started in 1911.

Barney Goldman - filing - 49yrs at Colt (1899)

Ed Perkins - set up

Ernie Bernard - checkering & assembly - started in 1914.

John Keating - shown stamping proofmark "VP" on .45's.

Axel Hallstrom - final inspection - started in 1906.

Ed Keily - test firing - started in 1918.

 

Are these "letters" any of their initials? It's a stretch, but who knows?

[colt21a]

QUOTE (aut-ord-co @ Mar 1 2004, 09:56 PM)

Arthur, Ron, 21Smoker... After I read your posts had to take a quick look. Found inside the receiver almost between the two rear rivets a "Z" and a smaller "F". When Ron said machinist's marks I thought of an older magazine that I have that has a story about "The Men of Hartford". Maybe you both have seen it already. The story is from 1948 about the Colt plant. Several of the craftsmen had been there since 1906, 1911 and 1914, etc. They're shown working on the .45 auto and the Colt Woodsman. But possibly, when they were younger, some may have worked on a certain run of 15,000 Thompsons. No way to prove this but here are the names. The younger employees are not listed. Thomas Shicko - barrel specialist, polisher - started just after WWI. Paul Strubell - profile machine - started in 1911. Jake Klinger - barrel drilling - started in 1911. Barney Goldman - filing - 49yrs at Colt (1899) Ed Perkins - set up Ernie Bernard - checkering & assembly - started in 1914. John Keating - shown stamping proofmark "VP" on .45's. Axel Hallstrom - final inspection - started in 1906. Ed Keily - test firing - started in 1918. Are these "letters" any of their initials? It's a stretch, but who knows?

glad to have you on board finally somebody with some good info.wink!!!aw heck i like all you guy's.......

 

 

its just i am so hard to like................its that marine thing..................anyhow you have my respect.auto ordco. Ron