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#1 The Moor

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 07:51 PM

Anyone out there own No. 6502? This gun and No. 6501 was for sale as a pair in 1977 by Law Enforcement Ordnance of Athens, Georgia. If you have 6502 and have any history on the gun I would be very interested in sharing information that I have on 6501. These guns were more than likely sold to someone as a pair but became separated sometime after that.

If anyone has the LEO listing of the guns (November 1977) I would love to have a copy of the listing. Also, if anyone has information on who might have sold these guns to LEO (earlier in 1977) this would fill in a big gap of the history of these guns.

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 08:17 PM

was this the overstamp and 21ac that fred had at one time,the only cons.numbered pair i have seen,funny thing one had alot more wear then the other.........and i think he sold them not as a pair...........it has been a long time since i saw those........

they had a big ad in shotgun news one page from roger on these.

yep good time's...........i miss the deal's with fred........glad you have one of them at least.....Ron
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 08:36 PM

Hi Ron. I'm not sure about 6502, it may have been an overstamp. It was owned by a PD in New Jersey at one time (according to Hill).
If Fred had these for sale as a pair then he may have bought them from Roger back in late 77 or 78 era?
I have 6501 and Fred rated it as a 93% gun in his November 1991 ad in MGN. I rather think it is 90% at best but I am not good at grading and it has been around 12 years since that rating was made. It has gone through at least 3 different owners since that time. It is a nice Thompson and enjoy the heck out of it.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 08:37 PM

Passaic New Jersey PD 1921 Colt Thompson serial #6501 and 6502 were advertised as a pair back in 1977 by Cox. The price was $5500 for both!!! #6501 was for sale back in 1991 and described as 93%+.

Ron,
#6502 was once yours!

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 08:46 PM

Ron
Arthur beat me to it. 6502 shows in Gordon's book as yours at one time.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 08:48 PM

Black River Militaria has some old ads on his site. The ad to which you refer is there. Look under ANNOY

blackrivermilitaria.com (Bubba Naess' site)
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Posted 06 March 2004 - 12:24 AM

QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Mar 5 2004, 08:37 PM)
Passaic New Jersey PD 1921 Colt Thompson serial #6501 and 6502 were advertised as a pair back in 1977 by Cox. The price was $5500 for both!!! #6501 was for sale back in 1991 and described as 93%+.

Ron,
#6502 was once yours!

i will have to look it up and see when sold..........gettin old is a bxxxxxxxxxxx

and both guns to my memory about 90% cond.with a little patina and pivot plate marks..........

overstamp to a dealer in boise idaho.........9/4/96

about $6,000.00.......nice price huh$$ the guy also bought my maremont new in box m-60e3........... he musta had moolah to burn................he probably still owns it.............well thats the rest of the story i guess.....

p.s.thanks for reminding me guys,i never bothered
to check if i owned it...............{but i did}

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Posted 06 March 2004 - 07:39 AM

So it appears that the pair became separated sometime between 1977 and 1991. Ron, do you remember when you acquired 6502 and from whom? This may help me track down the last owner of the guns as a pair.

I suspect that the whoever purchased the set from Cox separated the pair when they were sold. This must have occurred between 77 and 91 as Vollmer only lists 6501 in his 91 advertisment. Or the pair could have went through several owners during that time before being separated.

Need to fill in the gaps in the history of 6501 for these 14 years (1977 - 1991) before going back to the mystery owner in 1976 who sold (or attempted to sell) the gun to Dr. Alf Wyller of Winconsin.
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Posted 06 March 2004 - 12:18 PM

Roger does not mention either of these two Thompsons in his one page Shotgun News sale advertisement on March 15, 1979. I reviewed all the items I received from Roger and found nothing on these two Thompsons. However, I found an advertisement in an April 1984 postmarked envelope from Roger with a listing of guns that shows 21AC NO 7061 at $3500.00 and 28N NO 7062 at $4000.00. I know, wrong pair, but to think twenty years ago you could have bought a pair of consecutive numbered Colts for under 10 grand. WOW!!!!!
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Posted 06 March 2004 - 01:51 PM

I have a Jan. 1978 price list from Law Enforcement Ordnance. It has No. 6501 and 6502 listed as "excellent". Says 6501 came from a private collection and 6502 Passaic NJ police dept. Also has No. 1008 and 1009, 21A in "perfect,restored to new condition, refinished, from the Knoxville,TN police dept." $5000 for the pair. These old price list will make you want to cry.
Found a price list from Aug. 1974.. It has a 1927A No. 6789 and 1921AC No.6790 both in "excellent condition" for $6750.00 Says it is the only known consectutive pair of 27A and 21.
1921A No. 104 excellent from Morgantown, WV police dept. $1875.00
Those were the good old days.
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Posted 06 March 2004 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (The Moor @ Mar 6 2004, 07:39 AM)
So it appears that the pair became separated sometime between 1977 and 1991. Ron, do you remember when you acquired 6502 and from whom? This may help me track down the last owner of the guns as a pair.

I suspect that the whoever purchased the set from Cox separated the pair when they were sold. This must have occurred between 77 and 91 as Vollmer only lists 6501 in his 91 advertisment. Or the pair could have went through several owners during that time before being separated.

Need to fill in the gaps in the history of 6501 for these 14 years (1977 - 1991) before going back to the mystery owner in 1976 who sold (or attempted to sell) the gun to Dr. Alf Wyller of Winconsin.

i e-mailed you on this. see if you got it,ron
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Posted 06 March 2004 - 05:09 PM

QUOTE (Chopper28 @ Mar 6 2004, 01:51 PM)
I have a Jan. 1978 price list from Law Enforcement Ordnance. It has No. 6501 and 6502 listed as "excellent". Says 6501 came from a private collection and 6502 Passaic NJ police dept. Also has No. 1008 and 1009, 21A in "perfect,restored to new condition, refinished, from the Knoxville,TN police dept." $5000 for the pair. These old price list will make you want to cry.
Found a price list from Aug. 1974.. It has a 1927A No. 6789 and 1921AC No.6790 both in "excellent condition" for $6750.00 Says it is the only known consectutive pair of 27A and 21.
1921A No. 104 excellent from Morgantown, WV police dept. $1875.00
Those were the good old days.

i sold fred #103 about five years ago, a real boat anchor in my book...........the gun needed total restoration...hopefully somebody did it by now.............ron
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Posted 07 March 2004 - 07:40 AM

QUOTE (colt21a @ Mar 6 2004, 05:07 PM)
[QUOTE= i e-mailed you on this. see if you got it,ron

Got your e-mail Ron and e-mailed you.
Rob
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Posted 07 March 2004 - 02:16 PM

Terry Williams had a lot of "inventory" Colt Thompsons including a few "pairs" over the years. I bought four guns from him, including 27AC #5190, in the mid 1980's. It seems like he had 75 to 80 Colts in his inventory at that time. I had 21A #1234 and tried to find #123 and #12345 without success. That would have been an interesting trio.

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