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[rsilvers]

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. A company in NY -- a corporation -- can use a submachinegun to guard their payroll -- rather than just rely on insurance? Maybe *my* corporation needs an MP5 to guard my payroll. How did they justify that? Do corporations use submachineguns for defense of their property today?

[full auto 45]

I think you would drop your teefers (teeth) if you knew how many MP5's and Mac's and Uzi's are under those well fitting suits that stand guard at many big business. Really.

[rsilvers]

I would be shocked if there was any example of this. I just don't think there is in modern society where employees are taught to give a robber what they want and let insurance take care of it.

[rsilvers]

I was in a telephone company headquarters one and on the top floor executive level. I saw what looked like a track in the floor to accept giant blast doors to drop down. I was not able to verify if this was a working system or not.

So you are saying that a large company, like Kraft or GM, has a greater than 10% chance of having an MP5 or M16 on the property?

[rsilvers]

It appears that bombs are they direction they are going -- and it does not seem like subguns are a good defense against bombs.

I myself have not fully figured out if my home defense solution is a Benelli with a Surefire and Eotech and 000 buck (a single shot is like firing an 8 shot burst from a Mac11/.380 yet looks better in court) or a .357 Magnum 16" Winchester 1894 or an AR-15 with M4 upper.

I think the levergun would look good in court, but I don't have a light on mine. I could gaffer tape a light to it and then just remove it after. I could put an Eotech on it with a quickrelease. The shotgun holds as many shots but has more power and is semi-auto, and has a light -- and looks nearly as good in court. The AR-15 has much less recoil and holds more shots, but looks worse in court. And the MP5/40 might look unfair to some, even if they are in my house at 2am.

Which brings up the whole point -- a shotgun does not put you at a disadvantage, and is much more acceptable in the US than a subgun (though I hear the opposite is true in Europe where they consider the shotgun too brutal for police). So my guess is a corporation has private security with an AR-15 and shotgun in the trunk of their car. If they have a subgun, they did not really point it out to the corp and they are subcontracted with a contract that removes liability from the corp. If they have a specific threat they might bring a gun inside the building. Otherwise, they just drive around with it in the trunk.

[SecondAmend]

If you look in the back of Hill's book, Henry Ford (the founder of Ford Motor Company) is listed as buying two '21 Thompsons. I don't have the book here so I can't say which serial numbers.

I doubt that he bought them to shoot gophers on his soybean farm.

[Arthur Fliegenheimer]

Yah, ole Henry turned the choppers lose on strike breakers back in the 1930's.

[rsilvers]

A good solution for the teachers union? They are about to strike in my state now. Unhappy with $68,000 average for 8 months of work. That is over $100K a year if they worked year round.

[21 smoker]

Best home defense gun?... Steetsweeper loaded with alternating rounds of 00 buck and slugs...backup with H&K USP .45cal. 230gr.hp,integral tac lite...with the keys to the NFA locker for the final stand, around my neck...
Ole Henry turned the tommy loose on strike breakers?...you must mean strikers...I always did have dislike for Fords...except when I get paid to fix`em.out.

[rsilvers]

That would be one of the worst choices.

1. It would look bad in court.

2. If it was a good weapon some military would use it.

3. Alternating ammo types is lame.

[Arthur Fliegenheimer]

21 Smoker,
Yah, I meant ole Henry turned the choppers over to the strike breakers to set loose on the strikers....HF was a definite antisemite. With GM, who needed Ford anyway?

[John Jr]

The best home defence weapon would have to be a claymore mine or two at each door and window.

I could see it now, the poor burgulars eyes reading "This Side Toward Enemy" as he looks up to see your smiling face holding the detonator. BOOM.

I know thats illegal, but a nice sign in the front yard that reads: THIS HOME IS PROTECTED BY CLAYMORE MINES. BREAK ANY WINDOW OR DOOR TO SEE WHAT 700 BALL BEARINGS IN YOUR FACE FEELS LIKE.

I got carried away on that one...

Jr

[rsilvers]

I would think the ideal 12 gauge barrel length would be 14 inches. But since that is NFA, it would be best to stick to 18 inches. But why 20 inches?

As for #4, I think #1 is the smallest to use as it is the smallest that will go in 12 inches into 10% ballistic gelatin. And it has 1.5 square inches of wound surface area -- more than 00 or 000. On the other hand, I am actually leaning toward 000. It is equal to an 8 shot burst from a Mac11/.380 with every shot.

[rsilvers]

I don't see why shot density matters since at 7 yards and under there is no real spread anyway. We are not bird hunting here. What you don't want is to cause a horrific flesh wound and some guy yelling at you that you shot him.

[rsilvers]

I finally got the Thompsons and shot them today. Did a few mags in each one. I have not tried the drum yet for Goldfinger as I was short on ammo. The 1928 overstamp was sweet! A nice pace to the shots. NAC5 worked flawlessly and it will be my 'shooter.'

[SecondAmend]

Robert,

If I didn't say it before, Congratulations!

Rat-tat-tat!

[Sig]

Robert
Congrats.
michael

[Walter63a]

Congratulations Robert! Will we be seeing some videos? Regards, Walter