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#21 28 SCARAB

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 06:24 PM

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Ira Trast swore up and down the F/A WH receivers were all 4100 series steel, TRAST did not know the day of the week most of the time!!!!!!!! The frames and rec. were all made from 12L14 steel ON THE WEST HURLEY GUNS 28,27A1 AND MIAI From 1975 to the day they closed

Edited by 28 SCARAB, 12 May 2004 - 07:19 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 08:21 PM

I generally shy away from disparaging someone else, but John, "Amen!"
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 08:40 PM

Bill In Vag,
Your 5 week delayed high five to JJ for his pricky post shows your proclivity for procrastinating polemics. This perceived modesty you have when it comes to making disparaging comments must be one of those afflictions that comes and goes, huh?

28 Scarab,
I wonder why Trast would cut corners on an smg sporting the Thompson name?

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#24 28 SCARAB

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 09:00 PM

ARTHER FLIEGENHEIMER Lets just say I know a lot about the WEST HURLEY guns .
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 09:17 PM

28 Scarab:

Welcome to the boards! I must admit, your last post is intriguing. As there are many here who have a vested interest in the much maligned Westies, we hope you can lend some knowledge (whatever it may be).

Unfortunately, you seem to have come on board when the worst nature of this board reared its head. Nevertheless, we all love each other here (right, guys?).


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#26 Bill in VA

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 09:17 PM

Sorry, Arthur, I just saw the post tonight. Is there a time limit that I or anyone else is required to adhere when replying to a post? If so, I apologize for upsetting you in my posting beyond your time limit. My perceived modesty has now worn thin, and as for my procrastinating polemics, I've yet to attack you before now, either openly of covertly. Still, if you want polemics, read further.

Your childish antics and petulent attitude speak volumes about your personal character, and go far to confirm what John seems to feel. Like John, I'll give you my sugar-coated version: You may know a fair bit about Colt TSMGs, but but you're as abrasive as 60 grit sandpaper on a hemoroid-riddend fanny. I've watched your posts not just here, but on Subguns and Sturmgewehr as well. And on each of these sites, you do little more than berate and belittle anyone and everyone who disagrees with you. You offer little of value, either to further knowledge and appreciation of all TSMGs ("all" includes even my WH M1 with its genuine bullet logo and bonafide "Thompson" name) or words of advice, encouragement, or even cameraderie among TSMG aficionados. Your holier-than-thou attitude flat-out sucks.



Nick, delete this if you feel I crossed the line. I likely did by flaming, but I plead mitigating circumstances. I've watched Arthur berate others for a long time, and now am under attack myself. Do as you will.

After sleeping on it, I'll edit my own post. That last comment was out of line on my part. My apologies to the board.

Edited by Bill in VA, 13 May 2004 - 07:37 AM.

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 10:16 PM

QUOTE (28 SCARAB @ May 12 2004, 06:24 PM)
Ira Trast swore up and down the F/A WH receivers were all 4100 series steel,  TRAST did not know the day of the week most of the time!!!!!!!! The frames and rec. were all made from 12L14 steel  ON THE WEST HURLEY GUNS 28,27A1 AND MIAI From 1975 to the day they closed

So, I take it 12L14 steel is bad?
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 11:00 PM

Damn, Bill, you have a way with words!!
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#29 full auto 45

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 07:02 AM

Sometimes there may be a whole lot a screwing going on here, I don't think it's love though. But it's all in fun.

Hey doesn't Arty have a Westy!?
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 08:42 AM

Gunner,

No, 12L14 is not “bad”, it is a free machining steel, widely used. It would be what is commonly called a “mild steel”- not through hardenable. Early Thompsons were made of an alloy that was hardened, and therefore tougher.

28 Scarab,

Please share with us the experiences that have given you your insight into WH Thompsons- are you a former employee or ???

There have been many opinions espoused on the subject of materials used for WH receivers. I have made effort to ascertain some credible facts concerning the material used, but have been unsuccessful. Testing that I have done would be consistent with your statements regarding the use of 12L14, but have not been definitive.

Welcome aboard.


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Posted 13 May 2004 - 09:20 AM

Holy gunsmoke, didn't mean to open old wounds, or make new ones. Had it welded, with space stick, will be at Albany, OR shoot this weekend to make a lot of noise.
Thanks for the constructive input. ohmy.gif
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 02:22 PM

Cracked receiver, ain't nuthin' that a suitable application of JB Weld, a Dremel tool, and a bluing pen wouldn't currect. biggrin.gif wink.gif
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#33 28 SCARAB

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 03:01 PM

PK. There was one small run I think in 76-77 that was 1086 steel ? Ill have to think about it a little but the rest of the WH, guns were made from 12L14 I hope this helps!!!! I don't want to say who I am at this time[ some of you do know me ] cool.gif But I will help if I can !!!!!!!

Edited by 28 SCARAB, 13 May 2004 - 08:32 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 05:28 PM

Couple of wraps of duct tape (colored by a black marker) should hold it together long enough to sell it.
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 09:52 PM

Yes, duct tape, Bondo, or bailing wire are all good field expedients for such a situation (until JB Weld and a Dremel can be located and a proper repair made) laugh.gif
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 03:54 PM

What is interesting is resulphurized, free machining steel, especially ones containing lead like 12L14 are almost impossible to weld without hot cracking in the weld and heat-affected zone, and this cannot be cured by pre/post heat treatments.

This alone leads me to believe if it can be welded, it ain't 12L14.

The Original blueprints for Colt guns speced N-2 steel for the receiver, same as the bolt.

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Posted 18 May 2004 - 04:14 PM

It is 12L14 I was there for 16+ YEARS
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 04:22 PM

Until we know who you are, just saying you were there for 16 years means nothing, as you could be a highschool kid that is bored, or AF with a name change. :-)

The fact still remains, 12L14 is almost impossible to weld without hot cracking. And that tidbit comes from the chief technical instructor at Hobart Welding institute, not me.

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Posted 18 May 2004 - 04:34 PM

AZDOUG No I am not a high school kid or AF with a name change? I was just telling you guys that it was 12L14 to try to help !!! That is all Quality fab.or IONA would mach. for AOC in WEST HURLEY. Also Iona never mach. any full auto rec.

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#40 Dave Janowski

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Posted 18 May 2004 - 04:40 PM

Phil
You are correct guns are simple mechanical devices and ALL manufacturers can make crap. look at the COLT AR-15 or the COLT M-16 I owned a Colt AR BIG hunk of junk, as with all of the AR variants! It is now LONG gone and replaced with a good old Polytech AK!

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