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#1 LIONHART

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 12:29 PM

The following is from the late Curtis Earl's 1986 Machine Gun Catalog. Just take a look at some of those beauties! After looking through the Catalog today, I have a question for PK. WHEN will you start working on a Time Machine???!!! laugh.gif Only if that was possible... Enjoy you all!

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#2 AZDoug

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 12:43 PM

With the obligatory pictures of JCE's weird type 1 and type 2 compensators, which were probably made in the 1970's and 1980's.

I also wonder how many felons were created by him selling 1927 Semi-auto only guns that supposedly could be owned in every state in the union?

I suppose they were probably registered as SBR's, but as a simple change of fire control parts as used on the 21/28 made them F/A, ATF does consider them MG's.

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 01:13 PM

AZDoug,

The Colt 1927 semi-auto is a regestered machine gun. Any of them sold required a $200 tax stamp and ATF aproval.

All a person had to do to shoot a Colt 27 in full auto was pop a 21/28 trigger frame on the gun.

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 02:51 PM

yes good memories,in my taped interview with curt,he presented me with a full set of catalogs,along with the midas thompson g&a sheet,and his rare yellow copy/gold copy of his first with the m.g.m.collection in it.{ended up selling ole #3965}

however i ended up getting him chinese dinner later that night,{ a trade off}with no m.s.g. wink!!

rexer and cox catalog are good also...long gone by-gone era..............nobody does good catalogs anymore..........not enough gun's to catalog,too much money..................and inventory changes too quickly............i know i did it in 1980...........good times'

well maybe when a few here had been in kindergarten.....or had no interest in the toys of steel but tin...................

take it easy..........RON
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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:15 PM

Yes, i know they are FA guns with semi auto parts.

Did you read JCE's catalog where he says they are just SBR's and can be owned anyplace and SBR can be owned as he says they are not FA?

That is what I was referring to. Were some of tehse registered as SBR's and sold to some unwitting person as an SBR only?

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:31 PM

J. Curtis Earl would say anything to sell his guns. ATF would not approve the transfer to a non-full auto State if someone had bought one under the premise that it was strictly a semi-auto gun. The receivers still had to be in the NFA Registry to be transferred. They were in the Registry as machine guns and that's what ATF considered them.
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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:58 PM

AZDoug,

I'm no expert on Thompsons, so I could be wrong. blink.gif

I have always heard that a Colt 27 semi-auto (that fire from an open bolt) is a machine gun and requires a tax stamp as a full auto, not as a SBR.

I am sure that someone on the board will know for sure.

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (AZDoug @ Apr 15 2004, 12:43 PM)


I also wonder how many felons were created by him selling 1927 Semi-auto only guns that supposedly could be owned in every state in the union?


Doug

At 14K a pop almost twenty years ago not many.... The would be like a half a billion at todays Thompson greed scale! dry.gif
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Posted 15 April 2004 - 07:17 PM

Yes, a 1927 does require registration as a FA, not an SBR.

But who knows how this stuff was registered before 1969?

It is possisble some of these were registered as SBR's, and ATF never causght it, or when they did catch it later, it went from SBR to MG, I have no idea, only guesses.

It is not uncommon for a gun to transfer several times on an F4, then ATF realizes at some point, it shouldn't be transferable, or there is something else wrong, and it becomes contraband. and teh current owner is SOL.

My main point was I wonder if /how many of these 1927 SA were transferred as SBRs to states that may allow an SBR but not an MG?

From stories I heard about Earl, during the 1968 amnesty, he called the PHX ATF office and said he had guns to register. They told him to bring them in to the office and he replied along tHe lines of:, No, you don't understand, there are way to many to bring to your office, you will have to come out here.

Maybe he registered tehse as SBR's in 1968, knowing full well they were MG's, but ATF was too busy, or didn't care at that time .

ATF was not always so anti MG. In the 1950's and 1960's, things that would get you a talking to and confiscatoon of the guns, get you 10 years in prison, today.

I know personally, one well know individual involved in an NFA related indudtry that would take a duffle bag of unregistered MG's (Thompsons, MP40's, etc) with him as carry on luggage on airplane flights in the 1950's flying between home and school. When someone at ATTU found out the guns were unregistered, he lost them, and had the fear fo God put into him, but that was the end of it. That was abck when the airlines only cared that the guns were unloaded if they were carry on items.

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 08:26 PM

Ah yes the good ole days of the bygone era of air travel. Remeber when flight attendants were good looking stewardesses and not matronly women who can barely make it down the isle?

Earl's own ad copy was full of grandiloquent prose such as with the 1927 model described as "rarest of the rare," but he still had three..count three of them in stock...Oy....And who can forget that chessy articel he penned under an pseudonym for Guns & Ammo? Having been in his gun vault and surveying the still homeless collection of TSMG's, I knew he would just as soon be content to die with an over flowed vault than take reasonable offers for a Thompson or accessory. Even after his death, his granddaughter and estate attorney were evasive about the whereabouts of most of the items formely in the vault. The guns that are in his museum in Idaho are not even the ones from the vault. So as to the question where are they now? in his granddaughter's desk drawer waitng for Godot.

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 09:22 PM

Did you see those prices?!?!!?!??!
Let me know when that time machine is completed.
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