Us Navy Colt
Posted 06 May 2004 - 12:52 PM
All I know of the gun was that it was originally sold to the Hudson Coal Company in Scranton PA and that it was built in July-August of 1921. It has two Birmingham Military stamps, but I don’t think it ever left the country. I tried to take pictures of all the markings. It does have a two-piece actuator. The compensator has me puzzled. It is unmarked and has the dimensions of a type I (diameter 0.930” and length of 2.40’), but the slot pattern is like a type II.
If anyone could help me out interpreting the markings or fill in some of the guns history, I’d really appreciate it.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 02:43 PM
To quote Steely Dan, "I'm a fool to do your dirty work, Oh Yah." Why leave it to others to point out that the barrel isn't Colt and the Cutts isn't Cutts.
That's cool that this Colt TSMG was one of the few that wasn't sold to the usual PD. Your suggestion that this Birmingham Brit proofed TSMG never crossed the Atlantic in either direction may be vexing to some.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 03:55 PM
Any idea of who made the barrel or compensator? How can you tell a colt barrel?
Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:40 PM
IF the barrel is other than Colt then the barrel would very likely have an S or other mark on the edge of the ring touching the receiver.
Sometimes could be hard to see.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:47 PM
From the pictures, the finish looks close to 90% and the compensator looks new.
If you look closely at the barrel fins you will notice they are slightly thinner than fins on other barrels. This is one way to tell if its a Colt barrel.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 09:44 PM
I don't know from the pictures if the barrel and compensator are authentic, but the sight on the comp has been replaced with a WWII variety sight. The arc on the Colt sights is different.
The compensator looks like an original 1st type to me. The vent arrangement is correct and it is unmarked. That would be the proper type for the early Navy models with the two-piece actuator and that serial number range.
Hard to tell about the barrel from the pictures, although I will say that the guns looks to have been refinished. The compensator has no firing wear and the fact that the sight has been replaced is telling.
Nice looking gun, anyway. If you're happy with it who cares if it was refinished? Enjoy it.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 10:29 PM
Any speculation on how the Birmingham Military proof marks got there?
Posted 06 May 2004 - 11:31 PM
Take another squint at that replica Cutts. It isn't a first pattern. The barrel looks like the witness mark was added on after it was put on to align with the receiver.
Posted 07 May 2004 - 11:34 AM
Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:53 PM
Two things. It could be a Richardson bbl if its not factory, but I might add that if the bbl IS a factory bbl, the bbl would be of Remington manufacture. Colt did not make Thompson barrels. There is no such thing as a "COLT" barrel.
Take care and VERY NICE GUN!
Posted 07 May 2004 - 01:40 PM
Again, I appreciate the information and idea's.
Posted 07 May 2004 - 02:10 PM