Today, I, Uh...ehem...
Posted 06 May 2004 - 02:33 PM
The deputy that let me handle it said it had been owned/confiscated from George Moran, as he owned property nearby. Sure....
Anyway, lets see if I can describe it. Arthur, you'll have to help me. Seemed to be in pretty good overall shape, though the buttstock relase button was gone and replaced with a screw. Nickel oiler. Matching serial numbers. 6XXX. Bbl fins are squared off. Cutts, well, I dunno what would be expected. Did have the bullet logo on one side, Diamond top. Savage nickel bolt and Blish (what does that mean?), one piece actuator. I don't recall seeing any marks on the gun, like proof marks, save for an alignment mark near the bbl and JHB. Knurling all way around; hole in the safety but not in the mag release. Flat ejector.
Is there anything about this gun that might be gleaned from the serial number? They asked I not post the serial, and I would hate to get scooped by any of you guys;-).
What are my odds for purchasing such a weapon? I'd like to have my ducks in a row before I even make an offer. They'd probably laugh at me anyway, but it is just sitting there gathering dust.
How does one find out whether it is transferrable?
Am I crazy?
Gotta go cut grass. Will check back later!
Posted 06 May 2004 - 02:54 PM
That sound of footsteps closing in behind you are Mike's. Hey, if this is transferable and the PD is amenable to a Mike type offer, you are in like Flint/Flynn. You would have to check ATF records to see if it qualifies, no doubt the cops have spaced any paperwork on this gun.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 05:16 PM
I have laid land mines to my rear to catch Mike should he sneak up behind me (Mike, back off, OK;-). Er, what exactly is a Mike type offer? Would it be unreasonable or illadvised to offer low?
Both of you (and all other Colt experts): sight unseen, judging from these images, can you give me a once over on the gun?
Posted 06 May 2004 - 05:32 PM
If it is transferable, and it is out of state, and I have a C&R, any problem? Can it go from SO to private individual state to state, or does the gun have to be in the same state?
Also, is it as easy as calling the ATF and giving them the serial number? What else would they ask? Anyone have the number?
Posted 06 May 2004 - 05:43 PM
Posted 06 May 2004 - 05:48 PM
More similar production time than you think;-)
I guess it is not out of the ordinary to have some replacement parts. Actuator is correct for the gun, inasmuch as it is the flat style.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 06:34 PM
Gun looks great.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:19 PM
Edited by LIONHART, 06 May 2004 - 07:24 PM.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:37 PM
Don't recall any wood issues.
Wonder why it would have WWII parts?
Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:48 PM
Edited by LIONHART, 06 May 2004 - 07:57 PM.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:02 PM
Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:10 PM
P.S. I'm afraid Thomsonitis is very contagious!!
Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:12 PM
Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:32 PM
Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:49 PM
Nice find. To acertain if the gun is on the registry and if it is transferable, have the folks at the department call the local ATF office and have them run an NFA query on the gun. I do it all the time for departments out here. Heck, have them call me and I'll do it. Down side is that I can't post the findings here due to it being a tax issue. I can only report to the department. PM me with the details if that's OK with the folks your dealing with.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 09:11 PM
Nice gun. Arthur and Lionhart are correct, there are some replacement parts on it. The barrel and Cutts compensator are definitely WWII vintage, so someone either shot out the old barrel or it had a bulge. The wood isn't that bad, it could be cleaned and linseed oiled and it would look better. You definitely wouldn't want to sand or refinish it. See if the butt stock has the upside down anchor at the front end. If it doesn't the wood may have been refinished at some point. I don't think so though, it looks pretty original, just dirty from oil and neglect.
Obviously the internals have been replaced, with the exception of the actuator, which you say is a 1921 type. It probably then still has the original buffer and pilot system.
It definitely would be worth looking into to see if it's properly registered. I agree with the others, if they accept your offer, sell the West Hurley and buy that gun! It will definitely appreciate more in value, plus it's got some history behind it.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 09:26 PM
So, I can't call and check on the serial number? It has to be someone from the department I guess...
Posted 07 May 2004 - 06:50 AM
Posted 07 May 2004 - 07:35 AM
Try this idea for determining a price.... You could have bought that 1921 set of parts that was just sold for $6000 (too much, I think) on subguns (this would allow you to make the gun all original). Add that to the cost of what you will pay for the gun, and see if that total is under - say $20K - though Artie would say that is too low, but I think it is the going rate.
Buy it immediatly, The great thing about it is you can go shoot it now! Screw getting it original right away, wait for the right price and get the 1921 parts later piece by piece. You got the hard part, enjoy shooting it! You will never wear out the reciever!
And when/if you do get tired of it.... call me!