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#1 chitowngangster

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 06:15 AM

Hey Ron(colt 21a) could this drum be related chitown gangsters? It said an elderly lady had it could it be Rio Burke?
I wonder????

L Drum on ebay

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#2 full auto 45

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 06:46 AM

msfhotrod wants it bad.
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Posted 09 June 2004 - 09:01 AM

PhilOhio is it worth $700 .
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Posted 09 June 2004 - 09:05 AM

msfhotrod, you are going to find out its worth a hell of a lot more than $700, more like two grand I bet.

What do you guys think?

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 09:38 AM

Under Ebay rules, you can't list a magazine with a capacity over 10 rounds. You have to state "Complies with Ebay Rules, and has a capacity of 10 rounds." Not to mention, you can't list Assault Weapon parts anyway.

If someone reports it, they'll take the listing down. Then, unless someone noted the address of the seller, there is no way to contact him. If any of you are interested in this item, its listed by

"toysorretire"

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#6 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 10:37 AM

But the back plate is not a matching number, nor a non-matching number, nor a "NO" marked, so it is a third type. Looking at the condition in the pics, at least worth $1200-$1500? It is amazing how all one needs is a Chicago address to automatically connect a TSMG accessory to an integral part of that city's 1920'/30's gangland history. Maybe the back drum cover was owned by Frank Nitti?
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Posted 09 June 2004 - 12:59 PM

Thanks John Jr Thanks for the appraisal Arthur
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#8 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 03:45 PM

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It may be that everything is exactly the way it is supposed to be, for that variation.


Phil,
It no doubt will fetch some silly figure approaching $2.5K, but that doesn't mean that a low numbered front cover L drum, without the matching rear plate, in the OK condition as represented on ebay, is worth that amount. If it had the matching rear cover, or at least another low numbered cover, it might be worth that amount. It was not shipped out from Auto-Ord that way. That is for sure. As far as the question regarding how could it acquire a totally different cover over the last 80+ years maybe a matter of speculation, but hardley an unusual occurrence. Hell, I got a Colt L drum with two diffferent low 3-digit numbers also. So it aint that unusual.

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 04:12 PM

Where is the doohickey that holds the rotor to the drum in the ebay pix?
The doohickey I am referring to looks like "U" with a tail. The arms of the 'U" fit in a slot in the rotor axis. The tail of the "U" fits via spring tension in a slot in the outer surface of the drum.

My original Bridgeport L drum has this part.
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Posted 09 June 2004 - 04:12 PM

I think that eBay banning AW parts, etc. will calm some of the "Thompson greed", at least on parts and accessories.

The prices that some stuff on eBay brought in would never fly on gunbroker, auction arms, and othe gun auctions.

If the ban sticks, drum will shoot the moon!

Honestly, I did not notice that the drum on eBay has two mismatched cases. I doubt if any of the people who bid on it noticed either. They all thought the same as me - "man I like to have that drum." the only difference is that they were a little looser with the wallet than me.

Just my $.02

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (colt21a @ Jun 9 2004, 07:47 PM)
hey guys i went to the ad. its a mismatched good cond drum,worth about 1,000.00 nothing special and probably not owned by rio burke or her boyfriend or anybody gang related...........its in yorkville,il.a little ways from chicago.i think they put that little story to sell it,i am sure.

if i had it in front of me i would pay probably 800.00 real quick,since its a shooter drum,early manufacture.mismatch................if it go's for $1,500.00 or above...then i guess i will have one to sell in exc.matched cond...............for $3,000.00.......wink!!!

but don't expect the idiocy of thompson buyers to go crazy.............OH!!wait!! they will!! they will just gotta have it no matter what any sad shape!!!its in.......

heck it might have a dog turd stored inside it from "highball".....wink!! sorry i just could not pass that one up.......

take care,ron

biggrin.gif Good one Ron.I really enjoyed the highball turd joke.
I know it's probably true about the Chicago gang spin to it.But isn't it nice to dream?

Best to you my friend!

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 08:38 PM

I wonder if the guy was hoping just to get $300-$400 for the item and now look at the price. Its up to $1,680. Watch it hit $2K and the guy freak out when (and if ) E-Bay pulls it. biggrin.gif
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#13 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 10:58 PM

ftc3906,
Good pick up! The retainer is probably back with Ma Barker. This item may take the cake for TSMG accessory flim flam. P.T. Barnum lived in the wrong century.

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Posted 09 June 2004 - 11:40 PM

I wonder if it even has a spring in it??

Prolly find out later that the owner stamped the 120 on it himself.

1,680. and 3 days to go.
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 05:58 AM

Ron,
In my humble opinion, you are correct, it is definatly a mismatched drum but it is,I believe, a Colt 1921 numbered front with a 1928 Colt, without "no" rear
I have a Colt 1921 numbered drum and also a 1928 Colt without "no".
Often confused also with the 1928 Worcester drum but in this case it is definatly a 1928 Colt rear as the "N" of "PATENTED" lays directly underneath the "N" of "NY" in the line above.
I would love to see the inside, a look at the rotor.
Value; $1000 to $1100. I paid $950 for a very similar mis match last year from a gun shop in Prescott but not so nice a finish.
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 06:22 AM

I questioned the seller, by e-mail, about the rotor, the missing spring clip and several other issues with the drum. His quoted response:

"Hello -

I am not an expert on this unit, therefore I have made no attempt to disassemble it.

I can tell you that looking at the throat of the drum, there is no wear nor evidence that it has ever been disassembled. There are no tool marks indicating that anyone attempted to disassemble the unit. There is no rust.

Again, please look at the pictures. I have done my very best to show you the near mint condition.

This was a first production unit. There was no clip.

John"




Do yall smell that smell? Comments anyone?
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#17 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 10 June 2004 - 10:43 AM

The Moor,
Is it possible that the leading bidders "rashabra" and "mrlhkmp5kpdw" were satisfied with the pics and continue to overbid, or did they email the seller and get the same response you did and again were perfectly satisfied? Could these guys continue to bid on a drum whose functionality is up in the air? If these guys were true TSMG collectors, would they not be hip to the rudimentary characterisitcs of the Colt numbered drums, or any TSMG drum that requires a retainer?

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Posted 10 June 2004 - 11:38 AM

Arthur,
Well one would certainly think that they would possess such knowledge. But maybe they do and for some reason that aspect of the drum does not lower the value to them. I have seen some replacement retainer clips advertised somewhere recently, I just can't remember where.

The larger issue with this drum is the unknown internals. I think the seller knows more about the drum than he shared in his e-mail to me. Therefore, I have sent him another question or two to hopefully either get additional information about the drum or to "throw the covers off the seller".
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 03:09 PM

The comments about this drum are interesting as drums are a favorite subject of mine but what is more interesting is our, and note I say our reaction to prices.


I have always held a view that such price hikes are a combination of a number of things rather than any one thing such as greed.

In the last five years I have noticed the following.

A almost logarithmic increase in the interest in all things Thompson and the growing number of collectors.

The corresponding lack of Thompson collectable items in the market.

The increase in real Thompson research, study and thus Thompson knowledge and accordingly appreciation of some of the "rarer" items.

Accordingly. an exponential increase in prices, market driven.

An example of this down under here has been two recent auctions I attended.

In the first auction, one rather poor quality 30 round seymour stick mag sold for just on $200.00 ( US$130.00)

In the second auction, a few weeks later in a different part of the country, two lots of 3, average quality 30 round stick mags sold for just on $1000.00 per lot. and the bidding was very fast.

A WH 39 round drum sold for $1000, which is a record here for such a drum.

Some people cannot afford to by a second gun (Thompson) so they will spend thier money on Thompson accessories instead, which are just as attractive.

"Thompson collecting and research is is surely God"s work"

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Posted 10 June 2004 - 03:56 PM

Murray
I have some "rare" 30 rounders with the oblong mag catch hole. How much do you think I could get for them on thta side of the world (shipping included)?
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