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#1 Tman

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 02:49 PM

Got these from a coworker. What do you guys think. The site is the National Gun Buyback Program in Australia. Check 'em out.

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#2 ftc3906

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 03:07 PM

It is obviously one of J. Curtis Earl's secret uncataloged Thompson variations that found its way into export commerce.
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 03:44 PM

Looks like somebody tried to do a hack-job "pistolized TSMG." I'm sorry, but to me, the only proper pistolized TSMG is a 1927A-5 (which would have been better with 10.5" barrel--but that has some legality questions...) or a 1921/21AC/28 with stock detached.
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#4 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 04:26 PM

The "Under License By Auto-Ordnance Corporation Bridgeport, Conn U.S.A." is a hoot. First, Auto-Ord either spelled out "Connecticut," or used the abbreviation "CT" from 1921 to 1944 when the corporation ceased to exist. This Frankenstein gun was obviously made post WWII, so how did RPB Industries of Atlanta, Georgia manage to get a license to produce this thing from a defunct company?
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 04:30 PM

Arthur,

Probably easier to get a license from a dead company than a live one. Nobody to disagree with you, sue you, etc.
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 05:42 PM

It would be interesting to know how they got it to work with such a short bolt,....if indeed it does work.
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 05:47 PM

Looks like someone modified a MAC 10 to resemble a Thompson. Isn't RPB one of the companies that made the MAC's? If they can make that MAC in .45 go fast, has to work in that one. Where is the gun at now?
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 06:26 PM

Hi guys,
There was a 1918A2 BAR around a while back that had the original manufacturer's rollmark removed and replaced with "MILITARY ARMAMENT CORPORATION", if I remember correctly. It had to be a reweld.
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 07:05 PM

I believe this gun is in Australia. Did anyone notice how the receiver has been milled down to make it lighter? The grip is shaped like a FNFAL and the stock looks to be from a Galil.
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 08:09 PM

It looks to be a M1 or M1A1 that has been rather extensively modified for whatever purpose..The reciever shows evidence of welding (like the bolt track on the side) It actually looks like a neat modern variant of the Thompson with a provision for a suppressor. It would be nice to get the history on this creation. Perhaps contacting former RPB employees? As I doubt that the current employees of "RPB" have a clue on this one.
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 08:18 PM

That is one interesting weapon.
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#12 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 08:26 PM

MP40,
The history on it? Since RPB fabricated a "licensed" connection with Auto-Ord, I would imagine any "history" gleaned from their records would be equally dubious. As a novelty item, it's on the same level as those Reisings made to look like MP40's on "Combat."

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 08:34 PM

QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Jun 23 2004, 08:26 PM)
MP40,
The history on it? Since RPB fabricated a "licensed" connection with Auto-Ord, I would imagine any "history" gleaned from their records would be equally dubious. As a novelty item, it's on the same level as those Reisings made to look like MP40's on "Combat."

yes art and when i had the chance to buy one from earl i passed.thats a real neat "combat" item......and i am sure whomever did buy the two he owned.......they will play the "tg".thing............along with the r{e}ising increase of course.............wink!!

somebody did put alot of work into that....probably for some columbian drug lord's attache case............a little cheese a little wine........no wait!! thats "sahara"

i mean a little coke......a little thompson, a leetle friend!!

yep...... take care,ron
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#14 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 09:08 PM

Ron,
Testing again? That's "Kelly's Hereos."

By the way, do any of the following Class III dealer names register with you as old-time TSMG movers:

Tommy St. Charles
Irv Kahn
Dick Wray
Ed Anthony
R.J. Perry
Fred Rexer
Ron Rudin
Hy Hunter

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 09:12 PM

Arthur, by history, I mean How did it get to Austrailia? And just why did they produce this? and who/what was it for? That is if they did build it...And why even stamp it the way they did? Why even credit Auto ordinance? Was it just to fool someone into thinking it was a legitimate Thompson? Who knows? I would like to know why they spent so much time (machine work) on this project..As for the MP40's on Combat! I laugh when I remember that they where "retooled" Reisings!
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 09:56 PM

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Jun 23 2004, 09:08 PM)
Ron,
Testing again? That's "Kelly's Hereos."

By the way, do any of the following Class III dealer names register with you as old-time TSMG movers:

Tommy St. Charles
Irv Kahn
Dick Wray
Ed Anthony
R.J. Perry
Fred Rexer
Ron Rudin
Hy Hunter

yes all of them plus bob bond from ohio, harris from downstate il.

dick wray is kinda retired, perry is dead, ron rudin is dead.....{sad!! they found his head in the desert in nev.{true story} fred rexer who know's what happened>a nice guy..... a biker for awhile.........irv retired nice guy.........i mention a lot of them in my story 1997 "the quest" in tracies newsletter's.........

i have lost touch with a few,then i surfaced again........some figured i went to mar's..........nope just the desert sun state.

yep a lot of good times can't forget fred vollmer........we always went round and round with thompson's.......when i came on the scene very few had been into the thompson thing!

now over thirty years later,everybody is.........

funny story the other day.........i was chattin with a guy about getting my first 21a from mike rojak at L.E.S. in skokie ,il. in his ad for $900.00..........when i bought it i had the colt sitting on my front seat, all the way down pulaski ave from dempster....thought nothing of it.....

good time's, thanks for the memories. bob hope........

take care,ron
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Posted 23 June 2004 - 11:41 PM

QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Jun 23 2004, 09:08 PM)
Ron,
Testing again? That's "Kelly's Hereos."

By the way, do any of the following Class III dealer names register with you as old-time TSMG movers:

Tommy St. Charles
Irv Kahn
Dick Wray
Ed Anthony
R.J. Perry
Fred Rexer
Ron Rudin
Hy Hunter

arthur watch "sahara" frenchy go's into the wine, bread cheese thing...............i know a little on the thompson's and some on the flic's...........and sometimes a test for laugh's. darn we always have to have some humor around here..............thats why they keep me around right???

anybody know the first movie with a thompson?? wink!!

take care,ron
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Posted 24 June 2004 - 12:15 AM

Ron,
The first silent pic or talkie? Talkie: "Little Caesar" & "Public Enemy" 1931, "Duck Soup" 1933.....

Oddball says the same thing on the radio to Kelly saying he's just kicking back having a little wine and a little cheese, but Louis Mercier's (Leroux) routine went wine, cheese, and bread. It's these small differences that make trivial pursuit trivial.

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 12:41 AM

and wallace beery in "the big house".one of the m.g.m.gun's in that one...........and the first scarface paul muni..............and boris karloff when he was a gangster...not franky!!

catch bonnie and clyde the 67 version....with the scene of the L-stamped rear sight.THEY DID NOT HAVE THEM IN 33-34.i guess warren never checked that out.........take care,ron

have to get rid of those negative wave's moriarity{wink}
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