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#21 Zamm

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 02:46 AM

Mike,
RPB Industries did indeed manufacture the Mac 10 ( in 45 and 9 mm) and Mac 11 ( in 380), from 1977 till 1982 after Military Armament Corp. ( MAC) which made them from 1970 -76. After that, it has been made in a variety of varients by a lot of companies ( SWD, Cobray, etc...)
Most were crap compared to the original MAC made by Ingram...

What a wierd bug this mini Tommy is. Would love to know the history on it and how the hell it got to Australia.
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Posted 24 June 2004 - 09:00 AM

It looks like someone took left over TSMG pieces and made new recever, someone did a lot of work making that thing; but the adress and lisensed by make me very suspicious of how legitimate the company or individule was making the gun. I think it is neater than hell and would like to have for my private colection as most people on this board would if they could have it without prision sentance. If it works with that short bolt it must have one hell of a rate of fire!

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 09:30 AM

Hey Ron,..I just came across L.E.S. sales broucher from 1971(?) with a 21 on the cover....found it in a flea market in Mt.Dora FL...that`s funny you bring them up...Pulaski?...you mean Crawford don`t you? wink.gif
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Posted 24 June 2004 - 10:12 AM

An interesting gun to see. I agree, someone spent a lot of time on that.
Has anyone else roamed around the Aussie Buyback site?
Left me with a very uneasy feeling. Something like a Twilight Zone episode.
A "model program" for sure.
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Posted 24 June 2004 - 10:26 AM

I briefly checked out the site. It is down right scarry. It is the stuff communist (i.e. liberal democraps) wet dreams are made of. As for the modified thompson, it is a neat looking weapon. I wonder if it shoots, and if it does how controllable is it. I am surprised it was not modified to accept a drum.

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 10:30 AM

It looks to me like a 28 reciever - made up from scratch. The bosses on the side are added, and the thing looks about 1.5" too short. Note that there is no drum slots, either. For the hinge on the rear, you would have had to start with a solid blank (80%??) and carve away the thing. I don't think someone messed up a perfectly good gun for this, just made it from prints or an 80% slug.

I would like a field report on the function of this as well. Anyone else ever heard of it other than this post? How light is the bolt? What spring is in it? When was it made? No more info on this Company?

Too many questions - no way to get data.

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 10:33 AM

QUOTE (21 smoker @ Jun 24 2004, 09:30 AM)
Hey Ron,..I just came across L.E.S. sales broucher from 1971(?) with a 21 on the cover....found it in a flea market in Mt.Dora FL...that`s funny you bring them up...Pulaski?...you mean Crawford don`t you? wink.gif

crawford from north to about 33rd after that it was pulaski. from the polish general from the war,farther south past 112 or so back to crawford go figure.........bit of chi-town history...i lived there for 45 year's before moving to the 'sahara" belt............good time's. yep that 1971 L.E.S.catalog......... mike and morrie rojak good people.. mike i heard lives in florida someplace,morrie is gone...........they did the first handgun in moron {morton}grove il.monogram model's hometown,
and the first town that banned handgun's............wink!! take care,ron
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Posted 24 June 2004 - 12:27 PM

Looks like they took an M1/M1A1 receiver and welded the cocking channel (you can see the weld on the closeup up by the RPB stamping) and then milled out the top end to accept a 21/28 style cocking knob. I suspect there's a modified M1A1 bolt in there rather than a 21/28 style with actuator and Blish. It also looks like they just "lightened" the receiver/lower at the same time by milling away the ledge in several spots as you can see the contiguous mill marks. Mated it to a '28 barrel (or maybe even machined some fins into a M1 barrel) and then add some threads for a suppressor (kind of thin threads though).

Interesting modification.
While not at all traditional, I like the looks of it.

It does need cut outs for a drum though :-)

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 04:26 PM

It looks like it would have to have a cut down M1 bolt to fit in the cut down receiver.

With such a short stroke and lighter bolt, I wonder how fast it cycles. Probably 1200-1300 ohmy.gif , like a MAC 10 .45.

I don't think a drum would keep up in it.

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