The "advanced" Thompson Collector
Posted 19 July 2004 - 11:14 PM
I say Roger Cox was the ultimate "Advanced Thompson Collector." Hill has to come in here somewhere...
Dealers? Nick Tillota is certainly up there...
I guess I define an advanced collector as one who has activly spent YEARS obtaining a collection of all sorts of Thompsons and accessories...and knows all the ins and outs and fakes from the reals... You know.........
What is an advanced collector to you???
Posted 19 July 2004 - 11:34 PM
Check out this extreme collector’s collection that was secreted away from prying eyes for 50 years. Talk about an eccentric!
Posted 20 July 2004 - 12:22 AM
also one who is well versed in all that out there.not just one type of firearm...............
its best to know a little about alot ,then alot about so little..........
i hope some here will be able to enjoy it as much as i did!!
and for as long,then maybe some day thirty years in the future some youngblood will come along and call you a has-been!!
and you can respond with a smile and a wink!!
for really you are already one step ahead of the pack......i did it my way.
Posted 20 July 2004 - 12:38 AM
John, to answer your original question, I think that an advanced Thompson collector is someone who has spent some serious time acquiring a fairly broad and deep knowledge of all things Thompson (found in books by people like Roger Cox, Tracie Hill, Frank Iannamico, etc. and in other knowledgable collectors found on boards like this one) and has bought/ owned at least one TSMG (any variant). That is why I am not an advanced collector, yet (mine is only a semi-auto). Full-auto is verboten in New Yorkislavia.:-( Best Regards, Walter
Posted 20 July 2004 - 05:32 AM
Just because you are prohibited from owning a FA, doesn't mean that you cannot become, or are not an advanced collector.
Certainly you can obtain the wisdom surrounding the older originals, and because you can only have semis due to logistics, you would be more of a specialist. One can collect parts, memorabilia, and also build a collection of semis.
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Posted 20 July 2004 - 12:04 PM
I’m not sure that one could become expert on any weapon, or any subject (insert your hobby here) and not have physically handled numerous examples in person. Whether that means owning or examining someone else’s, it is impossible to rely on books and photos since there are so many mistakes and misidentifications in these periodicals. There are just too many nuances that can only be appreciated with hands on experience.
The fact that Hill owns J. T’s death bed does not make him an advanced collector, but surely a macabre one. I lived 13 miles from Thompson’s New Canaan, Ct home where he lived during the 1920’s and where his wife died. Now I lived in the vicinity during the 60’s/70’s, but if I had ripped off the current owner's house number back then, I guess I would be on my way to being an advanced collector. Since Tracy didn’t start collecting TSMG paraphernalia until 1987, I wondered where he would have managed to acquire these 1919 prototypes so late in the TSMG collecting game. Well, 21 Smoker answers that question; Hill got them from Bill Douglas at the NASLEM Museum.
A true collector is one that never sells, but only trades up. But the difference between a collector, who appreciates the various model types, and the hoarder, is that the hoarder has several examples of the SAME model. The problem with one collector having all of one prototype is that they may someday realize that one existing example of a prototype is way more valuable than four existing prototypes.
The fact that hoarders are de rigueur in a capitalistic society is not contested. But the secretive method by which Col. Berman's acquired his collection may be more revealing of his character than any artifact found in his basement.
Posted 20 July 2004 - 12:19 PM
|or any subject (insert your hobby here) and not have physically handled numerous examples in person.|
Does this make me an expert on women??
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Posted 20 July 2004 - 07:17 PM
If you only own one, can you be considered a Collector?
Posted 20 July 2004 - 07:51 PM
Posted 20 July 2004 - 07:52 PM
|QUOTE (JimFromFL @ Jul 20 2004, 07:17 PM)|
| What about a "Thompson Collector"???|
If you only own one, can you be considered a Collector?
if you only have one ,and also a few things to go with it,not just the bare bones gun,and more then one mag or a drum.........you are on the way for sure..........
its a fun trip guy's..when back in chicago.i liked nothing better in the fall,a little cloudy grey cool day..to crack open roger's book.........relax.look at all the serial number's......and sniff some canvass.go over to the cabinet.take out a 21a,oil it down.......and relax.........it's those little things that make a collector.. wink! take care,ron
Posted 20 July 2004 - 08:28 PM
We are all collectors if we visit and participate on these boards.
In my opinion what you own has NOTHING to do with being a collector, it is DESIRE and INTEREST sprinkled with a ANY bit of what Ron says some ownership. That is because frankly not all of us can afford some of this stuff and what you own should have NO bearing on being an expert or collecter. So Ron's words are right on.... More than just one bare bones gun ie. the little pieces that make TMSG's oh so interesting to all of us to spend time on these boards and share.
I am by no means anywhere near Ron's or some other members expertise and if these boards did not exist I would be looking to acquire the information I have now oh about another 5 years from now if I were LUCKY. So my hat is tipped to all of you who have shared here expert or not, collector or not, everyone here helps make this board a collectors forum.
Posted 21 July 2004 - 08:19 AM
|You can't imagine how difficult it is to find "silhouette" in a ratty old hard copy dictionary.|
It is amazing how we have come to rely on the ever helpful "spell-check"!
I too, find myself wondering where the hell I put my dictionary when posting to the forum
It intriques me about public figures and thier collections... I wonder how many people we have come to know
through media, goverment, etc... have class III licences.