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#1 LIONHART

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 03:21 PM


Anti's Trying to Rescue the Semi-Auto Ban from Death Row

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Friday, July 23, 2004


Thanks to your efforts, the Clinton semi-auto ban is about to expire.


The ban on magazines and firearms -- passed in 1994 -- represents one
of the most hated pieces of gun control ever enacted. But with less
than two months to go (and Congress being in recess most of that
time), the ban is scheduled to sunset on September 13, 2004.

Anti-gun Senator Dianne Feinstein, however, is not giving up and is
pushing hard to get the semi-auto ban tacked on to some other bill.

So far, you have been instrumental in bolstering the resolve of a few
key Senators, who have managed to thwart Feinstein's every move and,
thus, keep the semi-auto ban from getting to the President's desk.
Consider what you have accomplished in recent months:

* In March, you encouraged Senators to kill a bipartisan bill that
had become loaded down with anti-gun amendments -- riders which
included the semi-auto gun ban. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
could have used parliamentary tactics to disallow all gun-related
amendments, but he specifically rejected that strategy. The
underlying legislation, which would have helped to protect gun makers
from frivolous lawsuits, fell under the weight of your activism
against the anti-gun riders.

* Most recently in July, your efforts resulted in Senator Frist
using the very parliamentary tactics that he had rejected only a few
months earlier. This time, grassroots pressure convinced him to
block the semi-auto ban as an amendment to the class action bill (S.
2062).

Now, there are less than a dozen legislative days left. And the gun
banners are "pulling out all the stops" to get this bill passed.

The focus of their ire is being directed at Senator Frist, since he
was instrumental in keeping anti-gun amendments from being offered to
S. 2062. One anti-gun website is calling on its readers to "flood
Dr. Frist's office with tens of thousands of e-mails telling him to
stop blocking the Assault Weapons Ban renewal."

They are also calling on fellow gun banners to pound House Speaker
Dennis Hastert's office with calls to renew the ban.

So here's the bottom line: We are winning. The clock is ticking and
the Clinton ban will soon die. But the battle is not over yet! The
other side is playing its ultimate trump card -- the friendly liberal
media -- and is reaching deep into its war chest.

Major newspapers are running anti-gun editorials in favor of renewing
the ban. Former Presidents are lobbying Congress with the same
message. Law-enforcement bureaucrats are issuing sound bites in
cities all across the nation.

And Hollywood types such as Dustin Hoffman, Robert Redford and Barbra
Streisand have written a letter to the President, urging him to
extend the ban for 10 more years.

There is an all-out effort by the other side right now, and we need
to make sure that we are NOT silent. We need to keep the pressure
on.

Like the Phoenix, the gun ban renewal could arise out of the ashes at
any time. After all, both presidential candidates SUPPORT the ban.
Both Kerry and Bush have indicated they want to see the ban renewed.

And even though Majority Leader Tom DeLay has thus far managed to
keep this bill off the floor of the House of Representatives, he is
being threatened by a politically motivated prosecutor in Austin.
His tenure remains in question for the time being, which means that
we, gun owners, must remain eternally vigilant!

ACTION: Please urge your Representative to OPPOSE the renewal of the
semi-auto ban. Remind him or her that this is an election year and
that strident calls from the Brady Bunch in the liberal media do not
decide elections! Here’s what you can do:

1. Use the pre-written message below and send it as an e-mail by
visiting the GOA Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm (where phone and fax numbers
are also available).

2. Remember also that since all members of the House are up for
reelection -- and Congress is due to take a long summer break --
chances are excellent that you can confront your Rep. in person
during the coming weeks. Don't miss an opportunity to do so.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Representative,

I have noticed an alarming and well-coordinated campaign within the
mainstream media recently regarding the expected sunset of the
semi-auto ban. It is imperative that you not fall victim to the
scare tactics -- that instead, you do the right thing and make
certain that the semi-auto ban dies its well-deserved death.

Anti-gun forces are trotting out law enforcement bureaucrats, former
public officials, Hollywood stars, and anyone else they can find to
decry the Bush administration's "lack of action" in calling for
Congress to immediately reauthorize this odious gun ban.

Truth be told, those gun grabbers are scared -- they know the
American people have thrown out numerous U.S. Representatives in the
past for voting to outlaw these common semi-autos. With a mere
handful of legislative days remaining before the ban sunsets, they
are doing the only thing they can -- working feverishly with their
friends in the liberal media, hoping that press coverage alone will
spook you into getting aboard the gun-ban train.

I urge you to stand fast. The sky has not fallen, and it will not
fall on September 14th. No matter how loud the disarmament crowd and
their lackeys in the press scream, these simple weapons have never
been the choice of criminals and never will be.

The ban should sunset, and no pro-gun Member of Congress should fear
for his or her seat as a result, since media hype does not translate
to defeat at the polls. If the media decided elections, Ronald
Reagan would never have been President.

Hold the line. Better, remind your pro-gun constituents that you are
publicly willing to state that this useless and pernicious law simply
needs to go away.

Sincerely and with a watchful eye,


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Posted 23 July 2004 - 11:36 PM

News from the NRA.

FBI MAKES PROGRESS ON GUN BUYER PRIVACY

One of the top priorities of gun owners at the end of the Clinton Administration was to end the unlawful retention (for up to 180 days) of records on lawful gun buyers, kept by the FBI`s National Instant Background Check System (NICS). Though the law establishing NICS has always been clear that all records of a sale should be destroyed when the sale was completed, the Clinton Administration claimed the records were needed for "system audits."

In July 2001, the Department of Justice published a proposed regulation that would require record destruction by the beginning of the next business day. NRA, along with hundreds of concerned citizens, filed comments on the proposed rule.

More recently, the Tiahrt Amendment to the Fiscal 2004 Omnibus appropriations bill required destruction of these records within 24 hours--not perfect, but a huge improvement over the original Clinton-Reno plan. With that legislative language going into effect this week, the FBI also published a final rule implementing the same 24-hour requirement. The FBI`s explanation of the rule carefully rebuts many of the arguments anti-gun groups had leveled against this critical privacy safeguard.

The new rule also makes other important changes to NICS operations. Perhaps the most significant change for the average gun buyer is the creation of a "Voluntary Appeal File." Under the new rule, a person who is wrongly rejected for a gun transfer (in a case of mistaken identity, for example) and successfully appeals the rejection to the FBI, can have the information from the appeal stored in the system, thereby avoiding the need for unnecessary appeals in the future.

You can read the new rule in the Federal Register, available at http://www.archives...._the_press.html.

ATTEND TOWN HALL MEETINGS-
VOICE OPPOSITION TO EXTENSION OF
BILL CLINTON`S GUN BAN

Congress is currently on its Summer District Work Period and will be out of session until September 7. That means that the gun-banners have just a few more working days left to push "assault weapons" legislation if they hope to get a vote before the September 13 "sunset" of the Clinton gun ban. With time running out, the anti-gunners and their media sympathizers are in a frenzy. They`re becoming desperate, and we must remain vigilant against any attempts to reauthorize this legislation. We can expect these gun prohibitionists to mount a major offensive battle, and now, more than ever, it is critical that we remain active!

During this recess, your Senators and Representative will be back home in their respective states and districts. Many lawmakers use this time to hold town hall meetings, where they can report on what they`ve been doing in Washington, and take questions from their constituents. These meetings afford you an opportunity to personally voice your strong opposition to any legislation that seeks to reenact or expand the 1994 Clinton gun ban.

Please contact your lawmakers` district offices and ask when they plan to hold their town hall meetings during the break. If you do not know the number for your lawmakers` district offices, you can use the "Write Your Representatives" tool at http://www.nraila.org/, or call the NRA-ILA Grassroots Division at (800) 392-8683.

If you are able to meet with them, it is critical that you ask your Senators and your Representative to oppose any legislation that seeks to reauthorize the "assault weapons" ban. Also, if, during these meetings, you learn of any important positions your lawmakers have on firearm-related issues--especially regarding the "assault weapons" ban--please contact the Grassroots Division and let us know.

In addition to attending town hall meetings and speaking out in support of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, please forward the dates, times, and locations of any town hall meetings to your family, friends, and fellow firearm owners, and to the NRA-ILA Grassroots Division, so we may compile this information and share it with the pro-gun community. Please forward this information to the Grassroots Division by calling (800) 392-8683, by faxing to (703) 267-3918, or by sending an e-mail to TOWNHALL@nrahq.org. Also, please take advantage of this recess to try and schedule personal meetings with your lawmakers and/or their staffs in their district offices to discuss these issues, and share any intelligence with us.

For a current list of these meetings, please visit http://www.nraila.org/, choose "Get Involved Locally," and then click the "Event Calendar."

AMERICA ONLINE CAN FIRE
GUN-OWNING EMPLOYEES
UTAH HIGH COURT RULES

Self-defense took a big blow this week when the Utah Supreme Court upheld the right of America Online (AOL), America`s largest on-line service provider, to fire three employees whose firearms were stored in the trunks of their cars in the parking lot of an AOL call center in Ogden, Utah. In a decision that diminishes rights guaranteed under both the Utah and the U.S. Constitution, the court acknowledged the individual right to keep and bear arms, but said the right of a business to regulate its own property is more important!

Complying with this decision could potentially cost an employee his or her life--violent criminals certainly aren`t going to obey such a ban. It may also diminish employees` abilities to hunt or target shoot after work.

The issue is becoming a hot legislative topic in the states. This year Oklahoma passed HB 2122 ensuring that employees with guns in their cars were not fired or harassed, and it was debated in several other states.

Please look to future editions of the Grassroots Alert for developing information on this issue.

MARYLAND BEAR HUNT
IN DANGER OF BEING CANCELED

Over the last decade, the black bear population in Western Maryland has dramatically increased, with nearly 400 bears now living in that area. The large increase has led to the development of a responsible population management plan by the Maryland Department of Natural Resources (DNR) in the form of a limited bear hunting season. Although this is the most effective way to manage the bear population in Allegany and Garrett Counties, many anti-hunting advocates are putting pressure on state legislators to cancel the hunt.

DNR`s black bear management plan will soon be considered by Maryland`s Joint Administrative, Executive, and Legislative Review Committee (AELR). The State Senators and Delegates listed below are members of the AELR Committee and need to hear from NRA members. Please take a moment to call the legislators listed and let them know that the management of Maryland`s black bears is best left to the scientists and biologists at Maryland`s DNR, and that the black bear hunt scheduled for this fall should proceed. It is absolutely critical that you contact these Committee members, as every single call counts:

SENATORS: Paul Pinsky, (410) 841-3155; Gwendolyn Britt, (410) 841-3745; Jim Brochin, (410) 823-7087; Jennie Forehand, (410) 841-3134; Rob Garagiola, (410) 841-3169; Lisa Gladden, (410) 367-5811; Sandra Schrader, (410) 841-3572.

DELEGATES: Bill Bronrott, (410) 841-3019; Jill Carter, (410) 841-3283; Jean Cryor, (410) 841-3090; Barry Glassman, (410) 836-2400; Rich Madaleno, (301) 858-3130; Dan Morhaim, (410) 581-8712; Shane Pendergrass, (410) 841-3205; Mary Roe Walkup, (410) 778-6635.

NOT IN TOWN ON ELECTION DAY?
WANT TO VOTE EARLY?
NRA CAN HELP!

Once again, this year`s elections are expected to be extremely close. It is critical that every NRA member and pro-Second Amendment supporter exercises his right to vote in order to protect our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Even if you can`t vote in person on November 2, your voice can still be heard!

Most states allow voters to cast their ballots early (either in person or by mail). And every state allows absentee voting if you plan to be away on Election Day--November 2. To make sure the vote of every Second Amendment supporter is counted this year, NRA is providing a free service that will make voting easier in the 2004 general election. Working with HelpingAmericansVote.Org™, a non-partisan service, we are providing you with information about early voting and absentee voting options that will make your participation easier.

In addition to the information you will need to vote early or via absentee ballot, you can also use this service to register to vote, or to update your voter registration to reflect a recent change in residence. To access this site, please go to http://www.nraila.org/, and click on the NRA-ILA HelpingAmericansVote icon and select your state, or you can go directly to the site at http://nra.helpingamericansvote.org/.

Please forward these links to your family, friends, and fellow firearm owners, and encourage them to take advantage of this service to ensure that the voices of America`s 65 million gun owners are heard loudly and clearly in this year`s critically-important elections!

We can`t take a single pro-gun vote for granted. Please visit http://nra.helpingamericansvote.org/ and make sure your vote is cast to support your gun rights.

A LOOK AT THE STATES

DELAWARE
This week, Governor Ruth Ann Minner (D) signed into law House Bill 164, the NRA-backed range protection bill. The law, which protects existing shooting ranges and hunting operations from nuisance suits that might otherwise be brought by persons who have recently moved into the area, was approved overwhelmingly by the Senate and House of Representatives earlier this month. A special note of thanks goes to Governor Minner for all of her efforts in making this bill a reality. Please be sure to thank Governor Minner for signing HB 164 and for supporting the interests of law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen in Delaware.

NEW YORK
On July 21, the New York State Legislature reached an agreement to remove language banning .50 caliber rifles from anti-terror legislation. After A7039, a stand alone measure outlawing .50 caliber firearms, met with little support in the Senate earlier this year, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-64) included the gun ban as part of the two-year struggle to pass anti-terrorism legislation in New York. To read more, visit http://www.nraila.org/.

OKLAHOMA
Tuesday, July 27, is Primary Election Day in your area so please be sure to get out and vote! To find out more information and about NRA-PVF-endorsed candidates, please call the NRA-ILA Grassroots Division at (800) 392-VOTE (8683).







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Posted 23 July 2004 - 11:43 PM

Here's a real gem folks. From the Brady Campaign.

THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR: PRESIDENT BUSH
IS BLOCKING ASSAULT WEAPONS RENEWAL
For Immediate Release:
07-22-2004 Contact Communications:
(202) 898-0792


"Unless directed otherwise, I see no reason to bring it to the floor."
Rep. Tom Delay


Washington, DC - There are only six days left when Congress is in session before the expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban - a law that President Bush pledged he'd renew as a candidate for President in 2000. ''It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society,'' he said then. And another Republican leader made statements this week indicating the President can get a vote by simply asking for one.

"President Bush is blocking a vote on the Assault Weapons Ban," said Michael Barnes, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March.

Here's a brief review of published comments since May. First, on May 12, The Hill newspaper wrote "an aide to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) has said privately that if Bush pushes for it, the ban will probably be reauthorized. But if he doesn't, the chances of legislation's passing this year are remote."

Then, on June 24, the Boston Globe reported "Ken Lisaius, a White House spokesman, said Bush still supports the ban, but is waiting for the House to act."

Then, on July 11, the Washington Post reported the House Majority Leader Tom Delay said "we stated our position before the White House had to ask us... [the White House] "knew not to [ask,] because the votes are not there."

Now, following a news conference held by Congressman Michael Castle (R-DE) and Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy, Delay told the daily newsletter Congressional Quarterly "there's no reason to use floor time for a vote just to have a vote on this particular subject," he said. "And unless directed otherwise, I see no reason to bring it to the floor."

The Assault Weapons Ban has enormous bipartisan support across the nation. A poll released last week by Penn, Schoen & Berland showed 66 percent of Republicans, 75 percent of Democrats and 79 percent of independents supported renewal.

Here's one that should make everyone feel real good.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March is planning a growing effort to save the law, with television and print advertising, phone banks, grassroots lobbying efforts in battleground states and more, with activity stepping up even more after Labor Day.

# # #

As the nation's largest national, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March is dedicated to creating an America free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in their communities.









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Posted 24 July 2004 - 12:58 AM

QUOTE (LIONHART @ Jul 24 2004, 12:43 AM)
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As the nation's largest national, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March is dedicated to creating an America free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in their communities.

I can't believe I just read that.
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#5 Mario Scarpino

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Posted 24 July 2004 - 09:35 PM

If Bush signs to renew the Assault Weapons Ban, HE WILL LOSE THE ELECTION!!!
I guarantee it ! (Joe "Willy" Namath, 1969)

You heard it here first.!!!!

If the AW ban survives, vote for anybody but Bush or kerry.


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Posted 26 July 2004 - 01:43 PM

From http://www.nwitimes.com

Local cops won't miss assault weapon ban set to expire

LAKE/PORTER COUNTIES/ILLINOIS: Most gun manufacturers found restrictions on semiautomatic weapons easy to circumvent.

BY BILL DOLAN
Times Staff Writer

This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday, July 26, 2004 12:01 AM CDT

Big shots in the national gun-control debate may party or hang out black crepe paper Sept. 13, when a 10-year ban on assault weapons is expected to end.

Area law enforcement officials expect it to be just another day on the streets.

"I think it makes most police officers uncomfortable knowing the amount of fire power that is out there and available to the percentage of the population that would use it for evil purposes," said David Lain, chief deputy of the Porter County's Sherrif's Department.

"But I don't see that, ban or no ban, that it's going to affect what weapons the bad guys are able to get ahold of."

The ban, enacted by former President Clinton in 1994, made it illegal to sell 19 semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns. They hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition and, once fired, instantly reload the next round.

Clinton said such weapons were attractive to criminals because they could expel large amounts of bullets with extraordinary speed to overwhelm armed targets such as rival criminals -- or police officers.

The law exempted guns manufactured before the ban and others that lacked military configuration attachments. It was designed to expire, or sunset, after 10 years unless the U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives and President George W. Bush approve its extension.

That is unlikely, Katherine Bensen-Piscopo, a spokeswoman for U.S. Rep. Pete Visclosky, D-Ind., said. "The Senate did pass the extension, but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere in the House now."

Federal law still bans fully automatic weapons that fire as long as the trigger is depressed or until empty. A number of states have bans on assault weapons that will remain in effect after the Sept. 13 sunset deadline for the federal law.

Indiana, which is considered a permissive state as far as gun regulations are concerned, doesn't have such a ban. Illinois is a more restrictive state, and the city of Chicago bans most privately held firearms.

Earl Westforth, owner of Westforth Sports Shop in unincorporated Calumet Township, said only a tiny percentage of these firearms end up in the hands of killers.

"(The ban) takes away from the guys who really enjoy it, like a car capable of going 140 or 160 mph," Westforth said. "You don't need (the speed), but some people just want it because they have the money to afford it."

The Brady Campaign, a gun-control lobbying organization, protested the ban's demise, saying it represents "mass produced mayhem," and that the ban's "loss would be a serious blow to public safety."

The view from local law enforcement is less passionate.

"I haven't seen that the ban has made much of a difference," Jeff Wells said. He is a 15-year veteran of the Lake County coroner's office, which processes about 80 homicide scenes each year in which firearms are involved.

He said the number of victims riddled by semiautomatic weapons are rare. "I remember one case three years ago where three kids were killed in a van in Hammond. There were a lot of bullet casings at the scene," he said.

Gary police say an SKS-type assault rifle firing 7.62 mm shells was used to kill four people last January. That weapon and those shells have the capability to penetrate body armor used by police officers, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. However, SKS assault rifles are not covered by the ban.

Hammond Police Chief Brian Miller said gun manufacturers also quickly got around the ban by modifying the military configuration of the banned guns and marketing them as sporting weapons.

"Our SWAT team has them. I have one in the trunk of my car. We've gotten them from off the street, too," Miller said.

Mike Higgins, a spokesman for the Lake County Police, said officers occasionally will confiscate a Tec-9, a banned semiautomatic pistol that carries 10 to 50 rounds of ammunition.

"The Tec-9 is easier to conceal than an assault rifle, but we probably (see) one a month, some months." He said most firearms found at crime scenes are single-shot handguns.

Visclosky supports keeping the ban, Bensen-Piscopo said. "He also supports the right of hunters to have guns and he has a lot of friends who are avid hunters, but he has never met a hunter who needs (an assault weapon) to hunt deer," Bensen-Piscopo said.

Mark Leyva, a union carpenter running against Visclosky in the fall general election, said, "I want this to end. I believe a ban is wrong because of the Second Amendment-protected right of law-abiding citizens to bear arms."

Kelly Hobbs, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association, couldn't agree more.

"We have seen in every study conducted ... that this hasn't had any impact on crime and these firearms were barely used in crimes before the ban," Hobbs said.

"This was a political issue rather than anything constructive. For people outside the Beltway, this is not a top priority for them and members in Congress realize that."

Bill Dolan can be reached at bdolan@nwitimes.com or (219) 662-5328.
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 03:13 PM

As far as I have seen, in the last 3.5 years, President George W. Bush has not once called for an extension of the 1994 Clinton Semi-automatic Gun/ Magazine Ban, legislation banning any firearms, or ammunition, etc. biggrin.gif I believe, with cause, that his opponent in the race for the Presidency, Sen.John F. Kerry, D. of MA, would, based on the fact that he has the most liberal (read:anti-gun) voting record of any sitting U.S. Senator. He regularly votes in lock-step with such anti-gunners as Diane Feinstein, Hilary Clinton, Chuck Schumer and Ted Kennedy, on Second Amendment issues. ohmy.gif blink.gif Unless President Bush starts calling for the banning of guns, the extension of the hated Clinton Ban, etc, or fails to veto a bill to extend such legislation, then clearly this current president is the best choice in November! cool.gif Best Regards, Walter
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 04:51 PM

My thoughts exactly!
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Posted 27 July 2004 - 11:46 PM

.....gun manufacturers also quickly got around the ban by modifying the military configuration of the banned guns and marketing them as sporting weapons.....Our SWAT team has them. I have one in the trunk of my car.

Spoon fed from the Brady Bunch...... What a free thinker. It's okay for he and his SWAT team to have them, but not the ordinary subjects. Hmmpphh. mad.gif Glad that unconstitutional nimrod is not chief in my city. My chief is cool, he even signs Form 4's. wink.gif

Another winner: "He also supports the right of hunters to have guns and he has a lot of friends who are avid hunters, but he has never met a hunter who needs (an assault weapon) to hunt deer,"

He just doesn't hang with the right crowd. Stupid Fudds. They are so clueless. No wonder 9-11 happened.
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Posted 28 July 2004 - 11:17 PM

i hear ya there.....i deer hunt with an Fal.....but ummmm...most "assult weapons" don't have big enough balls for big game hunting...maybe a good varmit round....ohhhhh but they are so big and bad!!! they just kill everybody around according to them idiots
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 02:11 PM

I liked the part thatsays "The govt still bans full auto weapons" a lot of dummys out there believe that is the law.
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 04:19 PM

My favorite part is:

"most firearms found at crime scenes are single-shot handguns."

Are we talking Derringers here, or what?
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 07:10 PM

Catnipman, I think they may have meant "semi-auto" (one trigger pull, one round fired). The non-gun savvy people I know think "single shot" means semi auto, and semi auto means machine gun (they don't know what semi means and just see "auto"). Once again, to the closed, mind, igonrance is bliss while to the rest of us, it is just idiocy. I wish there was way to make $ on that level of stupidity- we'd all be rich!!!

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 09:06 PM

Tommyfan--
I guess in our culture of sound bites and two second attention span, it's just easier to find quick little labels. If its got a big mag, suppressor, and painted black, its got to be a machinegun. I know, I'm preaching to the choir.
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Posted 30 July 2004 - 12:40 PM

Right you are, Sgt! I am now a wanna be brain surgeon: I want to open up people's heads and insert a brain!

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