OK, I compaered the SG oilers to two originals.
Metal thickness is the same. Metal dims are real close except the SG iten has the buffer pilot hole different diameter, and slightly repostioned.
felt is smaller on SG item.
SG item steel is painted, not blued.
Crimp marks for felt are machine made on original, SG looks partially hand crimped.
Felt is too far back on some of the SG items, riding over the external rear felt tab. This can cause binding problems, but is easily trimmed. Bend dimensions were identical on the two.
Conclusion, SG item is repro. Possibly old repro, for TSMGs in Indian military service, but it is not made on the same tooling the two originals I used for comparison were. It should work fine if the felt is trimmed.
Question is: Are the Sarco repops any better or different, or were they made in teh same place?
Doug
4 Sale New Gi Breech Oilers
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, Jul 24 2004 03:31 PM
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 03:06 PM
Cancelled my backorder for two of these. . .
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 03:58 PM
Also cancelled my back order. The guns are just to expensive to cut corners using cheap after market parts IMHO.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 06:21 PM
Chopper and TSMGguy: I also sent mine back. The metal did not have the "spring" tension of the original oiler I compared it to and I didn't want to chance anything "going wrong" when the bolt was slamming back and forth in full auto fire. Also, it didn't seem to me that much of the SG oiler was in contact with the bolt and blish lock as was the original I compared it with. Why take a chance on damaging an irreplacable Thompson?
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 08:54 PM
Going to dump both of mine also, went ahead and got a parts kit that had one in it. Since it is a wear item I would like to find another someday, perhaps at the next SAR or KCR.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 08:56 PM
Check with Phil Askew I bet he has some originals.
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 03:32 PM
I really don't like Sportsmansguide. When I ordered some of the oilers, I also ordered one of the extractor/firingpin parts sets to help cover part of their outrageous shipping charges.
Well, they shipped me the parts set and charged me the full shipping charges as if the full order had been shipped. I called and complained, and all they would do is refund me $3.00, saying that would bring the shipping charges to what they would have been for the parts kit. So, why did they try to rip me off in the first place by overcharging me for the full shipping costs?
BTW, they sent me a postcard today saying the oiler part of the order was permanently cancelled, saving me the trouble of cancelling it myself.
Well, they shipped me the parts set and charged me the full shipping charges as if the full order had been shipped. I called and complained, and all they would do is refund me $3.00, saying that would bring the shipping charges to what they would have been for the parts kit. So, why did they try to rip me off in the first place by overcharging me for the full shipping costs?
BTW, they sent me a postcard today saying the oiler part of the order was permanently cancelled, saving me the trouble of cancelling it myself.
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Posted 08 August 2004 - 11:33 AM
Yeah I got one of those cancellation notices today too. I'm glad I didn't try to make that POS work.
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Posted 08 August 2004 - 03:39 PM
They sent me a cancel thingy too.
They have excellent ammo prices that are hard to beat.
They have online discounts too.
I am not the biggest fan of them either, but when you can buy 45ACP Wolf shipped to your door for under 11 cents per shot and 223 wolf for less than 10 cents per shot, you have to consider them.
BTW that new advanced polymer coated stuff works great!
Jr
They have excellent ammo prices that are hard to beat.
They have online discounts too.
I am not the biggest fan of them either, but when you can buy 45ACP Wolf shipped to your door for under 11 cents per shot and 223 wolf for less than 10 cents per shot, you have to consider them.
BTW that new advanced polymer coated stuff works great!
Jr
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Posted 08 August 2004 - 08:18 PM
I wouldn't call it a POS at all. It is just not original.
I tried the spring thingy, and the SG parts have ecxcellent spring, so much that it is hard to bend one to spread the fingers out a tad further. The felt just needs to be trimmed on some. I have no problme putting them in my guns, once I spread teh finger s a tad, and trim teh felt at teh rear.
Doug
I tried the spring thingy, and the SG parts have ecxcellent spring, so much that it is hard to bend one to spread the fingers out a tad further. The felt just needs to be trimmed on some. I have no problme putting them in my guns, once I spread teh finger s a tad, and trim teh felt at teh rear.
Doug
